Alteration vs. Conservation Defined

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You clearly know the law very well. On what basis are you even opining about what it is? Seriously?

Just common sense. If they reasonably believed the cards were authentic, and a grading company agreed, how do you hold an auction house accountable. I would hope you know the law better than I do so enlighten me. What crime would have been committed?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Just common sense. If they reasonably believed the cards were authentic, and a grading company agreed, how do you hold an auction house accountable. I would hope you know the law better than I do so enlighten me. What crime would have been committed?

Your first if is counterfactual. You're basically saying if they were innocent I don't think they could have committed a crime.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Your first if is counterfactual. You're basically saying if they were innocent I don't think they could have committed a crime.

I haven't seen anything yet that would suggest otherwise. If you, Jeff, or anyone else has I'd like to see it.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I haven't seen anything yet that would suggest otherwise. If you, Jeff, or anyone else has I'd like to see it.

I have.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I have.

It wouldn't convince Jesse. But of course he's willing to convict PSA on the basis that money is involved. Therefore the graders must have taken bribes.

[vintagetoppsguy]

If PSA can't detect ninety-something basketball cards that were trimmed (and those are just the ones that were confirmed), what is the purpose of grading? Oh, yeah, I remember: to add value. They're definitely adding value allright.

Ninety-something cards. SMH. And y'all believe everything is on the up and up at PSA?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If PSA can't detect ninety-something basketball cards that were trimmed (and those are just the ones that were confirmed), what is the purpose of grading? Oh, yeah, I remember: to add value. They're definitely adding value allright.

Ninety-something cards. SMH. And y'all believe everything is on the up and up at PSA?

My preferred explanation is still incompetence plus insufficient time or equipment to detect high quality alteration, particularly with ever-increasing pressure to move more quickly to meet turnaround times.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It wouldn't convince Jesse. But of course he's willing to convict PSA on the basis that money is involved. Therefore the graders must have taken bribes.

I said I'd be surprised if someone hadn't been paid off. Not that I know anything for certain, or that there's enough evidence to convict. And I'm sure Brent wouldn't claim all of his cards were legitimate. How could he? I can't even claim all of my cards are with certainty. I know I've never altered them.

As I said in another post I haven't seen enough evidence to say what, if anything, pwcc is guilty of. If there is proof they had a card altered, submitted for grading, then sold on their platform that would be different. If they knew certain cards were altered but auctioned them any way that wouldn't be a good look, but I don't know the law well enough to say that's a crime.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I said I'd be surprised if someone hadn't been paid off. Not that I know anything for certain, or that there's enough evidence to convict. And I'm sure Brent wouldn't claim all of his cards were legitimate. How could he? I can't even claim all of my cards are with certainty. I know I've never altered them.

As I said in another post I haven't seen enough evidence to say what, if anything, pwcc is guilty of. If there is proof they had a card altered, submitted for grading, then sold on their platform that would be different. If they knew certain cards were altered but auctioned them any way that wouldn't be a good look, but I don't know the law well enough to say that's a crime.

While I think it is a crime, I know it's certainly not ethical. Brent is a snake oil salesman. That much I am clear about. Where there is smoke there is fire.

[irv]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Just common sense. If they reasonably believed the cards were authentic, and a grading company agreed, how do you hold an auction house accountable. I would hope you know the law better than I do so enlighten me. What crime would have been committed?

Have you been paying attention to this thread on BO? It sure sounds like Brent and PWCC cares about the hobby and will do what it takes to help keep it clean.

Post#1012, and others. Like the post with proof reads, he had adequate time (8 days) to do something but chose not to.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...290614&page=41

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by irv

Have you been paying attention to this thread on BO? It sure sounds like Brent and PWCC cares about the hobby and will do what it takes to help keep it clean.

Post#1012, and others. Like the post with proof reads, he had adequate time (8 days) to do something but chose not to.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...290614&page=41

Plausible deniability.

Conscious avoidance.

Follow the money.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Not even Brent has claimed he believed the cards were all legitimate. He knows he would get skewered if he did. No, Brent said, OK from now on we aren't dealing with these people.

But carry on.