1922 Wm. Paterson

[DanP]

Does anyone on the forum collect this set? They seem to be very rare. I see a Ty Cobb card on ebay now (not my card or anyone I know). PSA has only graded 27 cards from this set.

I see from the Vintage card guide there were 50 cards in the set. It was supposedly issued in Canada. It also says they are 2" x 3 1/4" and were issued in two types: black/white and sepia.

Does anyone have any cards to show?

Thanks.
Dan

[Brian Van Horn]

Yes, I collect them and will post scans once I return home around 10:30 p.m. tonight (EST).

[bcbgcbrcb]

Dan P:

I have been looking for a Travis Jackson from the set for 6 years now, they are extremely tough to find.

[Leon]

Since most, if not all, of the poses are unique to the set they are some interesting cards. I know a few collectors doing the set. They are really scarce though. Interestingly, in the 1953 ACC, Burdick said: V89 "(50) about 1 3/4 x 3 1/4 proofs. Seen in proof form, possibly not issued." and he assessed their value at a mere .03 cents each.

[V117collector]

Congrats to the new owner!

Direct link!
http://cgi.ebay.com/1922-V89-WILLIAM...27164006r23810

[Jim VB]

I stand corrected.

[therajah]

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[Brian Van Horn]

Paterson:

[Brian Van Horn]

Paterson Part 2:

[Brian Van Horn]

Paterson Shawkey:

[Leon]

Those are some neat cards that are rarely seen. Thanks for sharing. That Daubert card looks a little like Joe Wood......take care

[brianp-beme]

Back in the mid-90's one of the auction houses (before all the catalogues became glossy color behemoths) auctioned a lower grade near set of the Pattersons. I believe I was the underbidder on this as well as a D304 near set (described as being in wretched condition). I believe they both went under $1000. As the auction was nearing its close, I decided to drop out of both of these lots and pursue and win a complete set of 1955 Bowman football cards.

I don't even collect football cards, and just kept a few. The Bowmans are cool, but they sure remind me of my unfortunate choice every time I look at them.

Brian

[DanP]

Brian (and others), thanks for sharing! Great cards.

I was also wondering how rare these cards were compared to the 1923 Maple Crispette set. I looked at PSA, they graded 75 Maple Crispettes (there are 30 cards in the set). Apparently there are 50 cards in the Wm Paterson set and only 27 total graded by PSA. I did notice that SGC graded 72 cards from the Wm Paterson set.

Dan

[shammus]

Neat cards! I like the poses that are unique to this set as well as the detailed captions. Any ideas on pricing for your typical common card, etc..so a beginner might know what to expect if they decide to pursue this set?

[Brian Van Horn]

I don't know what the pricing is, but in addition to the previous link for the Cobb, this one went too:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1922-V89-WILLIAM...item53df641544

[paul]

There are at least two types of these cards. Will's card of Heilmann used to be mine and it is on very thin stock. I have two others that are on something closer to normal card stock, but still thinner than an E121. The two that I have on thicker stock are both sepia. The thin Heilmann is a true black and white card. I've noticed that there's an assortment of black & white and sepia cards posted in this thread. Can any of you confirm whether your black & whites are all paper thin, and your sepias are thicker? Thanks.

[Brian Van Horn]

Paul,

I agree with your assessment.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by DanP

I was also wondering how rare these cards were compared to the 1923 Maple Crispette set. I looked at PSA, they graded 75 Maple Crispettes (there are 30 cards in the set). Apparently there are 50 cards in the Wm Paterson set and only 27 total graded by PSA.

Dan - these are MUCH tougher then MCs. To give an illustration, SGC has 231 graded MCs and only 72 graded Patersons. With 30 cards in the MC set, that's an average of almost 8 instances graded for each player, way more then the Patersons, where each player has only 1 or 2 graded.

[Leon]

another HOF'er...you really don't see these very often, as has been said.

[ValKehl]

... my favorite cards in my WJ collection.

[Leon]

And one more for good luck...

[brianp-beme]

These cards are so rarely seen I thought I would share my one and only.

Brian

[familytoad]

Folks, by the time I dug up my only Paterson card and had a few minutes to scan it...this thread had almost been bumped to page 3.

I wish I had more of these in order to bump the "I hate this Auction House" threads, but this mediocre scan (card is in a screwdown holder) from an under-appreciated set will have to do for now