Card Flippers List on NET54

[pokerplyr80]

I don't think publicly calling out members for buying then reselling a card is appropriate at all. Reneging on a deal or committing some sort of fraud is one thing. I would have no problem creating a list of buyers or sellers who actually did something wrong in a transaction. This doesn't qualify in my opinion.

[njdunkin1]

Originally Posted by quinnsryche

If someone buys a card for a set price, isn't it their's to do with what they please? I don't understand the OP's complaint.

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I don't think publicly calling out members for buying then reselling a card is appropriate at all. Reneging on a deal or committing some sort of fraud is one thing. I would have no problem creating a list of buyers or sellers who actually did something wrong in a transaction. This doesn't qualify in my opinion.

Fully in agreement with these statements. I believe it to be poor form to be selective about who you are selling to for the above reasons. If I buy card A, card A now belongs to me. Thus, wouldn't I have the privilege of doing whatever I would like to with it?
NJ Dunkin

[njdunkin1]

Gently just trying to face the facts. If you are unwilling to sell to "flippers", where do you draw the line? Who qualifies as a flipper?

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by njdunkin1

Fully in agreement with these statements. I believe it to be poor form to be selective about who you are selling to for the above reasons. If I buy card A, card A now belongs to me. Thus, wouldn't I have the privilege of doing whatever I would like to with it?
NJ Dunkin

You can do whatever you want with a card you purchase...correct. But why can't the OP DO THE SAME? If he currently owns card A, then doesn't he have a right to do WHAT HE CHOOSES WITH IT? And in this case, he's clearly stated he doesn't want to sell to quick flippers. So please let's stop with the hypocrisy.... If you "have the privilege of doing whatever" you would like with the cards you own, its funny that you have no problem judging that its "poor form to be selective about who you are selling to", when it comes to what someone ELSE wants to do with THEIR cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

You can do whatever you want with a card you purchase...correct. But why can't the OP DO THE SAME? If he currently owns card A, then doesn't he have a right to do WHAT HE CHOOSES WITH IT? And in this case, he's clearly stated he doesn't want to sell to quick flippers. So please let's stop with the hypocrisy.... If you "have the privilege of doing whatever" you would like with the cards you own, its funny that you have no problem judging that its "poor form to be selective about who you are selling to", when it comes to what someone ELSE wants to do with THEIR cards.

I would prefer to sell only to Republicans. Can someone please identify them?

[njdunkin1]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

You can do whatever you want with a card you purchase...correct. But why can't the OP DO THE SAME? If he currently owns card A, then doesn't he have a right to do WHAT HE CHOOSES WITH IT? And in this case, he's clearly stated he doesn't want to sell to quick flippers. So please let's stop with the hypocrisy.... If you "have the privilege of doing whatever" you would like with the cards you own, its funny that you have no problem judging that its "poor form to be selective about who you are selling to", when it comes to what someone ELSE wants to do with THEIR cards.

I don't disagree. It's a two way street, undoubtedly. If you would like to share a civil conversation through PM, I would be happy to provide more details as to why I wrote my previous statement.
NJ Dunkin

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by njdunkin1

I don't disagree. It's a two way street, undoubtedly. If you would like to share a civil conversation through PM, I would be happy to provide more details as to why I wrote my previous statement.
NJ Dunkin

Hey NJ, no need to PM. I was just trying to say let the guy sell to who he wants.
I apologize if it came off harsh, it was nothing personal. Take care.

Brent

[steve B]

The flipping thing doesn't bother me. I think many of us do it at least a little.

I don't sell much, especially older stuff where I don't have extra copies of a card. But with newer stuff I have extras, sometimes loads of them.

Having sold at Shows, flea markets, ebay, here, and directly to dealers, overall, and I know this will be unusual, I prefer selling to dealers. I've never had it be a difficult process. I have these cards can you use any of them? Yes, this one, but I can only pay x for it. Ok, that's fine.
If there's negotiation, it's very brief, "I can pay 50" "How about 55?" " No, I can only do 50" or "sure that's not much more."
OR sorry, I can't go that low. (Never actually happened, probably because most direct single card sales are likely almost pre-sold so the offer is decent.)

I also enjoy some selling to collectors, but some make the process as drawn out and difficult as possible. "your card is horrible, but I really want/ need it because......so I'll pay you 10%" Umm....no thanks.

I will say that almost every sale here has been the better sort.

Steve B

[RedsFan1941]

I for one am grateful to the net54 flippers who secure cards from major auctions and then offer the opportunity to buy them at a 30% markup within a week of the auction ending.

FLIPPERS FOREVER!!!!!!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

I for one am grateful to the net54 flippers who secure cards from major auctions and then offer the opportunity to buy them at a 30% markup within a week of the auction ending.

FLIPPERS FOREVER!!!!!!

30% markup?? You underestimate how competitive the card market is. Try 5-10%.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I don't think publicly calling out members for buying then reselling a card is appropriate at all. Reneging on a deal or committing some sort of fraud is one thing. I would have no problem creating a list of buyers or sellers who actually did something wrong in a transaction. This doesn't qualify in my opinion.

I agree. I really don't even understand the concern, if you want to avoid flippers, charge a price where someone can't flip. But if you get your price, who cares if the buyer keeps the card or flips it?

PS If you gave someone a break on price in reliance on a lie, then that's another matter.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I agree. I really don't even understand the concern, if you want to avoid flippers, charge a price where someone can't flip. But if you get your price, who cares if the buyer keeps the card or flips it?

PS If you gave someone a break on price in reliance on a lie, then that's another matter.

I always make it clear I am buying for resale. Ask anyone who's turned down my offers!

[Rich Klein]

Let me give you a "show equivalent" -- I will use Billy's name here but that is only because we know Leon here and not most of the local DFW

if I have a card at a show for $50 and Billy comes up to me and buys said card for $50 with the design of re-selling for a profit. I basically have two choices

1) Sell to Billy at MY Stated price and it's not my issue at that point. My only issue is to get my price which I have done so

2) Refuse to sell to Billy, which is my right, because I know if he is buying the card I am too cheap or he can get more. I'm not a big fan of this because IMHO it's morally wrong but I can do that if I wish

3) Somewhere in the middle depending on how you feel

Rich

[bobbyw8469]

To the OP.....whoever sold you your card in question was a "flipper". If no one bought or sold any cards from/to people who were flippers, there would be no transactions taking place, because we are ALL FLIPPERS! Food for though......

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

To the OP.....whoever sold you your card in question was a "flipper". If no one bought or sold any cards from/to people who were flippers, there would be no transactions taking place, because we are ALL FLIPPERS! Food for though......

+1

Exactly what I was thinking.

[bobbyw8469]

On a side note, when I run my .99 cent auctions, around 85% of the winners, are, YOU GUESSED IT, flippers!! I see my auction cards usually up for sale the following week for more money than the auction went for, sometimes substantially more. Do I like it? Of course not - it usually means I lost my ass on a card if a flipper won it. With Ebay though, the UNDERBIDDER determines the final price, not the winning bidder. Without those card flippers, my cheap cards would sell even cheaper!! Not knocking those non-flippers, but those guys are usually cheap (expletive) who want a card for next to nothing, to hell with the "value". More food for thought for this comical thread.

[PiratesWS1979]

As most have said, I think if he purchased the card at the sellers price he can do what he wants...IT'S HIS! Also remember, it's not a "flip" until it is sold.

I've listed many cards on eBay from my PC at a high price because they're not for sale...but can be bought.

[KMayUSA6060]

Comical. Just flat out comical.

While we're busy making stupid lists, I'm gonna make my own. Who here is against flippers but won't double my salary so I can afford more of the cards I want?

To the OP, I understand your goal is to not deal with flippers. That is 100% your choice. But to make a thread because you lost out on a card you wanted is ridiculous, especially when the card is again available for sale, regardless of the markup from the original listing. You're choosing not to reach out to the seller.

[Westside]

I am a newbie to the board and have not bought or sold here. If I do sell on here, I could care less what someone does with the card once they buy it. I also feel someone should have the right to sell to who they want as well. If that isn't a Bill Clinton " Don't ask. Don't tell" answer, I've never heard one.