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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: E, Daniel
I accept all you have said. |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: jay behrens
Almost all your daily decisions in life are made with assumptions because it is impossible to know everything about something definatively. It's a very safe assumption that the vast majority of the people ont his board do not have a background in printing. You are an absolute exception to the average person that frequents this board with your background. It's impossible to write for all exception. Otherwise, you end up writing something and then prefecing it with "...except for...". Writing like that is just rediculous. While you education maybe a wonderful thing, it's no better than going to school and getting a degree in art. Until you actually get a job with a museum and can actually get your hands on some paintings and start examining them, all the book learning in the world isn't going to substitute for the real thing. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
Of course the market took a dump on new product in the 80s and 90s and 2000s; anything that is massively printed, traded in bricks of 100 or more cards (remember that?), and widely held is simply not worth squat. It is strictly a hype-driven market. Vintage stuff, on the other hand, has done nothing but increase in price over time. If the market lost 50% of its value today, there are plenty of collectors salivating to get in. |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: Jeff Prizner
"We may come across as holier than thou when it comes to card knwoledge because the knowledge we have obtained was hard fought for and tooks years and the handling of thousands of cards to gain this knowledge. Now with the internet, what took us old schoolers 10 years or more to learn can be learned ina matter of months, less the card handling. Nothing can substitute for that. You'll have to pardon our holier than thou attitute you seem to think we have, as we have earned this right." |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: John S
Daniel, |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: E, Daniel
If you read your own posts before you submit them, and know what a pompous so and so you come across. |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: PC
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: edacra
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Posted By: Bruce Babcock
"In my study of graphic design / electronic design, I completed a full year of credits with focus to the printing process and all things related to applying images to paper. I did so in a full printing room with 6 color commercial heidelberg printer (30 feet long, 15 foot high, many many tonnes), and all requisite current industry standard machinery. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Jeff, Daniel is the one that claimed Barry, myself and others with extensive knowledge act holier than thou. Those are his words. I know I don't consider myself holier than thou, and I doubt Barry or anyone else does either. We just happen to have a lot of knowledge and this can be intimidating to some people. |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: Jeff P
Jay, |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
"Jeff, Daniel is the one that claimed Barry, myself and others with extensive knowledge act holier than thou. Those are his words." |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: jay behrens
Can you pull a single post where someone says that you are not a real collector if you collect slabbed cards? I don't recall this ever being said, but a lot of slab like to THINK that they have read this somewhere. It's kind of Baptists that are convinced the tribulation is in the bible, but it really isn't. |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: jay behrens
Daniel, you may not have named names with your holier than thou diatribe, but you basically indicted all the knowledgable members of this board with your comment. For me and others if we take offense to it, but you have no one to blame but yourself for what you brought upon yourself. |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
How proud the child feels when his whining and obnoxious behavior finally gets the attention of the adults! |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: E, Daniel
All done, won't be back. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Damn it, Gil! I'm the one that is supposed to running off people |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
And Jeff, you raise an important point: |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: Joann
I think we have a marvelously controlled forum for voicing all kinds of differences of opinion. Most flare ups seem to settle down quickly and all is well, with former combatants joining together as the battle lines are drawn in the next discussion. For the variety of personalities combined with intelligence and strength of opinions, I think this is a remarkably cohesive group (just watch what happens if some outsider come in and start thwacking). |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: Noel
This is a very sad turn of events. I think the real troubling hobby development is EDaniel not posting anymore. I tuned in nightly with ferver and great passion just to see what EDaniel had posted. He had become a favorite of sorts of mine. Kind of reminded me of a Jerry Springer episode. I can only hope that he will reconsider and come back. |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: leon
I hope E.Daniel doesn't leave. He has a right to his opinion just like everyone else. I have no issue with being taken to task for something I say or do. I can defend my stance or change it.....either choice is ok but in the end....as Gil says, and we all say, it's only cards. Collect what you like to collect. A lot of my cards are graded and a lot aren't. My guess is that is the way they will continue to be. Actually I really hope you don't go E.Daniel. It's differing views that make the world go around. Sort of like when I was the only Republican in a room full of Democrats in college. Oh, the fun......... |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: John S
Damn!!! I missed the fun. I don't think that I have been quoted as much in the last two years as in the last two days. Just to clarify, I have opinions and will defend them, but when it comes to cards who really cares? Slab them, keep them raw, use them to paper to inside of your underwear...your choice. I know my cards but understand that there are people that participate and read this board that know far more than I. |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: Jeff P
"I have opinions and will defend them, but when it comes to cards who really cares? Slab them, keep them raw, use them to paper to inside of your underwear...your choice." |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
"I hope E.Daniel doesn't leave. He has a right to his opinion just like everyone else." - Leon |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: barrysloate
I started this thread with a provocative question and it got off to a good start. It seems to have deteriorated along the way. I hate to see members argue and then ultimately leave the board. I don't know Daniel but I ask him to reconsider when things die down and to come back on board. We've all had some tough times here- ask Jay Behrens who has suffered plenty of arrows and slings but he's tough as nails and sticks with it and I respect him for that. I hate the personal attacks although I realize they do happen; I've been walloped myself a few times. Anyway, this is a good thread and maybe we can get back on topic. Thanks for listening. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
How is the hobby prepared to deal with these very dangerous issues:
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Posted By: PC
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Posted By: Mike (18colt)
Good evening, all. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Mike, |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
I don't know why things are done as they are, but I sure that there is a darn good reason for it. With regard to: How is the hobby prepared to deal with these very dangerous issues: |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: Cobby33
I'm as paranoid as the next guy when it comes to the integrity of my slabs (ask Leon and my questions about Windex and Goo Gone)... |
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A Troubling Hobby Developement
Posted By: Anonymous
http://cgi.ebay.com/24-Graded-cards-Mickey-Mantle-1952-Clemente-1955_W0QQitemZ130015229782QQihZ003QQcategoryZ26363 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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