T214 Victory & T215 Red Cross Tobacco Cards

[Leon]

We don't talk too much about a few of the esoteric T card sets, T214 & T215, so maybe at minimum a few members have one to show? As a back (and scarcity) collector I really enjoy them...

[sb1]

only one I have left

[edjs]

Leon- I dream of the day I have something to show in this thread. Two very cool issues.

[Sean]

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[Jobu]

I am with you Leon, I love these two issues.

Nice card sb1, it would look cool next to this one.

[gabrinus]

Here's a couple....

[sb1]

Jerry,

Didn't I buy the Murray Victory above, from you at an Arlington,TX Tristar show?? MANY years ago.

Scott

[gabrinus]

No Scott, I have never been there....unless my brain is failing me......Jerry

[tiger8mush]

nice cards! unfortunately every time I find one for sale I like at auction, it quickly jumps out of my price range. one day ...

[brass_rat]

This is one of my favorites because it has a nice clean back. Definitely fun cards to look at.

Thank you to everyone who has shared thus far.

Cheers,
Steve

PS - I hope the attachments upload properly...I'm trying to do this from my phone. I think they are appearing way too small...

[sb1]

Originally Posted by gabrinus

No Scott, I have never been there....unless my brain is failing me......Jerry

Mine too, I just remember buying a small group of cards from a collector from Arkansas that was at the show and I am nearly certain his name was Jerry as well.

[buymycards]

This is a Type 1. 2 similar condition Type 2's closed on eBay this afternoon for over $300 each. They had writing, heavy wear, and a hole punched in the card.

I bid on them, but I didn't think they would go for more than $150 each and I was at work when the auctions closed, so I was blown out of the water.

It is surprising how many of these cards, both Type I and Type 2, have a hole punched in the card, and 2 numbers on the back, with a line through one of the numbers.

I wonder if these cards could be redeemed for something, such as tobacco or cigarettes?

I haven't been able to get a T214 yet, but it is on my want list, along with a Type 2 Red Cross.

Rick

[brass_rat]

Hey Rick (and others),

I'm the knucklehead that bought the two horrible condition cards on ebay today. I honestly thought they would cost me maybe $130 each. Had it not been for one other person on each, they would have been $200. But I had a couple of beers last night and put in a higher snipe than I otherwise would have. (Don't drink and snipe?)

So I'm the idiot that overpaid, but I like them. I have one other with a hole punch and writing...I thought they belonged together.

Cheers,
Steve

[Mikehealer]

Nice cards Scott and Jerry. Victory's are my favorite issue. I've sold most of my Baseball cards, but I still have one T214 left and easily my favorite Tinker pose.

[buymycards]

Hi Steve, congratulations on your pick ups. These are pretty scarce and they are pretty cool, so I really don't feel that you overpaid.

I might have to start drinking a couple of beers while I am bidding. Maybe that is why I don't win anything! Or it could be that I am too cheap.

Rick

[Pat R]

Sean, That Willets is a fantastic 1.

[brass_rat]

Thanks, Rick. I appreciate the kind words, but I know I overpaid when I saw the price and thought, "wow, it'll be embarrassing if anybody notices that."

Haha, just my luck, somebody did.

Best,
Steve

[edjs]

Originally Posted by brass_rat

Thanks, Rick. I appreciate the kind words, but I know I overpaid when I saw the price and thought, "wow, it'll be embarrassing if anybody notices that."

Haha, just my luck, somebody did.

Best,
Steve

Steve,

I dropped out of the first one at $80 (I was set to go $150, but then it started popping and I just moved to the second), and the second at $231 ( I was thinking, criminy, what's going on with this? Oh just stop!). Glad I wasn't the guy that bid you all the way up, but I sure did want one of those. For what it is worth, I figured they could hit $400, I just didn't have the funds to go as high as you. I have seen worse go for more. Enjoy them!

[baztacula]

I'm sorta interested in a Red Cross (Type 1) but only if it's a Detroit Tiger. So if anybody has one to sell, let me know. SGC preferred.

[RCMcKenzie]

Nice cards, Steve. Glad you got 'em. I was about to start a thread saying, "Who in the world outbid me on these?", but it was already here.

[trdcrdkid]

I was another of the bidders on those T215s on eBay. I was the high bidder for a while until they went above $80, and I was thinking I might put in some higher bids, but I forgot to do it before the auctions ended. When I saw what they went for, my eyes popped. Congrats on the cards, Steve -- I'm glad they went to a board member.

Unfortunately, I don't have a T214 (one of my white whales as a type collector), but I do have a couple of T215s, both Type 2. I've had the Schulte for over 20 years, and it's in one of the album pages I've posted pictures of. The Byrne I got maybe 10-15 years ago on eBay. It has better eye appeal in person than in the scan; the creases aren't as noticeable.

[4815162342]

Nice eye candy, all!

[RCMcKenzie]

a couple more in collector grade...

[lug-nut]

Originally Posted by Jobu

I am with you Leon, I love these two issues.

Nice card sb1, it would look cool next to this one.

Nice Card!

[lug-nut]

Probably wont have the Jennings for too much longer...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Sean, That Willets is a fantastic 1.

I don't have it in hand, but as I recall it has a small pinhole. But it does present well.

[Sean]

While we're talking T215s, I'm going to ask again: has anyone seen a Merkle?

If so, could you please post a scan or link or anything. I know one was sold about eight years ago in a large lot by Legendary, but there was no picture.

Anyone?

[brass_rat]

Thanks, Rob and Ed...I'm glad that I'm at least able to provide some closure.

Rob, that is a very nice Ames!

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Nice cards, Steve. Glad you got 'em. I was about to start a thread saying, "Who in the world outbid me on these?", but it was already here.

[ullmandds]

A few of mine...I love these sets...and someday I hope to own a t214...maybe even a t215 pirate.

[edhans]

Have had this one for a while.

[ullmandds]

that miller is a beaut ed!

[TistaT202]

here is my one and only T215...has that hole punch and numbers crossed out like the others mentioned above.

[gabrinus]

Here's a T215 but not a Red Cross

[Leon]

Originally Posted by gabrinus

Here's a T215 but not a Red Cross

Nice Jerry!! Still figuring out the whole T215 Pirates ACC number thingy. It wasn't Burdick's number....

[MMarvelli]

Type 1

T215-1 Wiltse, Hooks F+B.jpg




Picked up the Victory from Frank Ward about 15 years ago. From the creases on the back it looks to be the card used in Lipset's Encyclopedia

T214 Victory Tinker, Joe (F+B).jpg




Type 2

T215-2 Hoblitzell, Dick (F+B).jpg

[fisherboy7]

Here's a pair that belong to my Chief Bender type collection.



Full size images can be seen here: http://imageevent.com/fisherboy7

[Brian Weisner]

My Victory isn't pretty... But, its the only McLean I've seen.




Here is my Type-2 Red Cross



Be well Brian

[Harford20]

WOW! Nice Pirates.

Here is my two low-grade Type 2 HOF cards
Dave

[Tim Kindler]

Amazing cards guys! I've owned a Red Cross before, but never a Victory before, but hope to someday. A pirate back won't ever happen so why worry about it.... Anyway, my question is about how many of each- Red Cross type1, type 2, and Victory backed cards are out there as compared to say a t206 or is there an exact, approximate count of each type in existence? I'm just being curious.
Thanks for sharing.

Mike H.- Tinker pose Victory is amazing!

[CobbSpikedMe]

Here is my poor example of a Red Cross. What's special about this one is that is a Jersey City Purtell. I collect Jersey City cards and never thought I would ever pick up this card. It's hard enough to find a single Red Cross example let alone a specific player so when I picked this one up I was ecstatic.


AndyH


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[Sean]

Andy, that's great. I understand just how you feel, getting a rare back with exactly the right player.

[buymycards]

Hi Tim,
You have interesting questions about populations. The pop reports for all of the grading companies are a complete mess, so i wouldn't rely on them.

Here is my completely flying by the seat of my pants numbers:

T214 - only 63 of the possible 90 cards are known to exist. I would guess that only 1 to 3 cards of each of the 63 are known to exist.

T215-1 and 2 - my guess is between 1 and 6 or so of each of the known cards. You might find a few players with slightly more than 6, but I doubt it.

Compare this to 1000 examples or more, of many of the T206 cards.

I hope others who are more knowledgeable than me will chime in with their estimates.


Rick

[brass_rat]

Rick makes an excellent point about the population reports. The T215 types are frequently mislabeled. Heck, I believe someone once posted a T215 labeled as a T206. (Although that might make some people happy. )

I don't know much about T214, but I'd figure his estimates are reasonable for T215. It might be that there are a number of raw examples in collections.

Cheers,
Steve

Originally Posted by buymycards

The pop reports for all of the grading companies are a complete mess, so i wouldn't rely on them.

Rick

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by Sean

Andy, that's great. I understand just how you feel, getting a rare back with exactly the right player.

With the population estimates above (1-6 examples of each player) I doubt I'll ever see an upgrade for this card. Needless to say it is the key card in my Jersey City collection.

AndyH

[RCMcKenzie]

Thanks on the Ames, Steve. I agree that it's sorta high grade for this issue. I think, except for the Cobbs, there are easily less than 5 T215 examples per player in each series. Amazing that Lipset and those guys compiled the checklists that they did. Here's another two cards from T215-2. I have about 8 or 9 from this series...

[ValKehl]

Here's a couple of raw T214s and a nice WaJo (if you ignore the back damage):

[felada]

Are the borders on a type 3 typically this thin?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-T213-Co...item3aabd95d4a

[edhans]

Originally Posted by felada

Are the borders on a type 3 typically this thin?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-T213-Co...item3aabd95d4a

Yes. That's a beautiful and full sized T213-3.

[buymycards]

Hi David,

I only have 1 Type 3, and the borders are similar to the card that you asked about.

There is a dealer on eBay who has had a bunch of Types 3's listed for several years. Quite a few of his seem to have the same cut, but his pictures are blurry so it is difficult to say for sure.

Rick

[Jobu]

Is there a way to estimate who ought to be featured on the remaining 27 cards using T206 print groups? I know there might have been some substitutions based on retirements and deaths, but I was curious how the known T214 examples line up with the different print groups.

Originally Posted by buymycards

T214 - only 63 of the possible 90 cards are known to exist. I would guess that only 1 to 3 cards of each of the 63 are known to exist.