battlefield0516 t206 on ebay

[PhillipAbbott79]

I guess the subtlety in my humor was completely missed.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Leon

ignorance is bliss....

i suppose...especially when ignorance pays he bills!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i suppose...especially when ignorance pays he bills!

All advertisers get, and have always received, the same scrutiny as every other company and everyone else in the hobby. Happy collecting....

[irv]

Is this what her cards look like before they are worked on, and if so, do you think she just forgot to do these ones or has she finally decided to play truthfully?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw...pps&_sacat=213

[Sean]

She couldn't fix that one, but she is still selling that trimmed Cobb Green. She sold it in January, but now it's for sale again.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by irv

Is this what her cards look like before they are worked on, and if so, do you think she just forgot to do these ones or has she finally decided to play truthfully?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw...pps&_sacat=213

Those are the ones she uses to build her feedback. Be honest on 1,000 99¢ items so you can weather the storm selling fraudulent $10,000 items. Anyone else think feedback ought to be weighted by dollar amount?

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Sean

She couldn't fix that one, but she is still selling that trimmed Cobb Green. She sold it in January, but now it's for sale again.

And it is back on Ebay again now.

[Sean]

That's one Cobb Green that won't hold its value.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Those are the ones she uses to build her feedback. Be honest on 1,000 99¢ items so you can weather the storm selling fraudulent $10,000 items. Anyone else think feedback ought to be weighted by dollar amount?

Ahh, didn't know that she did that occasionally, but it does make perfect sense.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by sean

that's one cobb green that won't hold its value. :d

lmao!!

[Joshchisox08]

Why doesn't someone volunteer and buy a card. Show the scan on the bay and then the scan of what you received

[TK99026]

Love the picture of Onslo...HAHAHAHAHAHA Get me another beer Daise

[PhillipAbbott79]

Anyone know if this is battlefield?

http://loveofthegameauctions.com/Gor...-LOT12288.aspx

[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

Anyone know if this is battlefield?

http://loveofthegameauctions.com/Gor...-LOT12288.aspx

Love the description that was given.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

Anyone know if this is battlefield?

http://loveofthegameauctions.com/Gor...-LOT12288.aspx

What would be funny is if Battlefield won the auction and broke every single one out of their case to sell raw again!!! She would be foaming at the mouth to get all those beauties again!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

What would be funny is if Battlefield won the auction and broke every single one out of their case to sell raw again!!! She would be foaming at the mouth to get all those beauties again!

Was thinking about the ethics of buying these and then selling them to battlefield lol.

[VintageBen]

Can we drain the Battlefield swamp already?

It's so phenomenal that previous buyer paid $3054 and said it was deemed altered/trimmed by PSA and seller didn't care

Green Portrait is posted again!!! Ughhhhhh

[VintageBen]

Ppl will still buy Battlefield's card and be happy if they were honest. Just seems like a waste of money shipping the same cards back and forth and refunding their money.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by VintageBen

Can we drain the Battlefield swamp already?

It's so phenomenal that previous buyer paid $3054 and said it was deemed altered/trimmed by PSA and seller didn't care

Green Portrait is posted again!!! Ughhhhhh

Then it sold for 4,000 plus and returned in record time. Just 10 days from the 4000 dollar sale and it is relisted again today. I believe this makes sale number 4 on this exact card, undoubtedly being told each time that the card was trimmed.

I am guessing that this card never actually left their mailbox and it was returned on feedback observances.

There has to be something that can be done about this person. This person takes a very smart and diabolical approach to their fraud.

[Sean]

Possibly the high bidder from that last sale never paid for the card and never intended to pay. Maybe a disgruntled customer decided to mess with this auction. I'm sure that there are plenty of those around.

[Edwolf1963]

I shared these on the original post about Battlefield0516 a few years ago, but for reference and/or anyone asking what they do specifically, etc - these were examples of cards purchased by them (on the left) and shortly thereafter put back out for sale (their scans on the right) with the usual "PHENOMENAL" language. This was when it was easier on eBay to see what they purchased and turned on (eBay has since made that more difficult) Most of these were in low/mid-grade holders and/or Authentic - cracked out and resold as .. well .. something quite a bit more "BREATHTAKING!!!" #licebag

[Jeffrompa]

A picture paints a 1000 words . Errors photoshopped away .

[Buythatcard]

You have to give them credit for being so good at PhotoShopping. They could probably do better teaching classes on how to use PhotoShop.

[buymycards]

Is Battlefield an internet only entity or do they have a brick and mortar store? Do they set up at shows? It would be interesting to talk to them if they set up at the National.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Edwolf1963

I shared these on the original post about Battlefield0516 a few years ago, but for reference and/or anyone asking what they do specifically, etc - these were examples of cards purchased by them (on the left) and shortly thereafter put back out for sale (their scans on the right) with the usual "PHENOMENAL" language. This was when it was easier on eBay to see what they purchased and turned on (eBay has since made that more difficult) Most of these were in low/mid-grade holders and/or Authentic - cracked out and resold as .. well .. something quite a bit more "BREATHTAKING!!!" #licebag

Thanks for sharing those!
I still haven't received a reply to me asking if I could see original pics/scans of some of her cards prior to her listing them, but I'm not holding my breath either.

Originally Posted by buymycards

Is Battlefield an internet only entity or do they have a brick and mortar store? Do they set up at shows? It would be interesting to talk to them if they set up at the National.

I think someone dug into where they are located, or generally located, but I have never heard of her or them ever being at a show.

[PhillipAbbott79]

I provided their address.

She happens to do this from a professional building where she works as a secretary, CPA or something.

I really wonder if her employer knows she is committing fraud from their business address. From the address it is possible to get their phone number.

She lives in a private gated community that you can't just enter. You can bring it up on map and see the gate with guard booth, thus no pictures of her house. Technically her address does not even exist if you look on the map or Zillow.

[irv]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

I provided their address.

She happens to do this from a professional building where she works as a secretary, CPA or something.

I really wonder if her employer knows she is committing fraud from their business address. From the address it is possible to get their phone number.

She lives in a private gated community that you can't just enter. You can bring it up on map and see the gate with guard booth, thus no pictures of her house. Technically her address does not even exist if you look on the map or Zillow.

So, not surprisingly, she very well off. Makes it all the more reason why she should be caught and charged.

[Exhibitman]

You cannot just keep screwing people over like that and not have some consequences. Unless, of course, you are in Congress.

"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." Mark Twain

[granite75]

Any chance this Ruth Goudey isn't photoshopped? I saw the picture and I immediately knew who the seller was.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391730436289

Also love that the 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams has 'beautiful color'.

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[Sean]

That yellow is so bright that it hurts my eyes.

[1952boyntoncollector]

I think she lets you return the card though after 3 years which will please at least one member on this board

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

You cannot just keep screwing people over like that and not have some consequences......

...

Hopefully this is the case. I have recently been in contact with someone at ebay who can probably make a difference. They said they would take a look at this thread. We can only hope. Actions, and screwing people over, do need to have consequences.

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[Sean]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

Then it sold for 4,000 plus and returned in record time. Just 10 days from the 4000 dollar sale and it is relisted again today. I believe this makes sale number 4 on this exact card, undoubtedly being told each time that the card was trimmed.

I am guessing that this card never actually left their mailbox and it was returned on feedback observances.

There has to be something that can be done about this person. This person takes a very smart and diabolical approach to their fraud.

And it sold for $3,650 this time.

[PhillipAbbott79]

It really is a special kind of fraud. They mask it well in a sea of acceptable low dollar cards to stay off of the radar and have plausible deniability.

Hopefully the hammer comes down and flushes this rat of hiding. They will never be able to do the same thing at a card show and without EBay they would be forced to use an auction house online who would take proper pictures.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hopefully this is the case. I have recently been in contact with someone at ebay who can probably make a difference. They said they would take a look at this thread. We can only hope. Actions, and screwing people over, do need to have consequences.

.

Thanks for doing that, Leon.

Hopefully they have success and we can finally say goodbye to her for good!

[Edwolf1963]

Originally Posted by granite75

Any chance this Ruth Goudey isn't photoshopped? I saw the picture and I immediately knew who the seller was.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391730436289

That card appears to be the same here that PWCC sold back on 7FEB, PSA Altered. Expand the picture and look closely at the exact same slight diamond cut and print markings especially at the bottom between the L and E in LEAGUE. As well as the speckling around the G

PWCC link..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1934-Goudey-...4AAOSw44BYjP5n

Then Battlefield0516's "BREATHTAKING" cracked out example first on 27FEB, then again (same card) on 21MAR. Same cut, markings, enhanced/brightened and described as "near mint". Can't prove for sure, but this fits her typical historical pattern of buying low grade and altered cards, cracking, enhancing and reselling as something much nicer.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BABE-RUTH-19...0AAOSw4CFYroJB

[SMPEP]

Honestly, why should she care if Ebay finally kicks her off?

Okay, you loose the forward income stream. Yeah that sucks.

But how much has she pocketed in the meantime that she never has to give back? And no jail time like some of the others.

It's a complete win for her.

Cheers,
Patrick

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by SMPEP

Honestly, why should she care if Ebay finally kicks her off?

Okay, you loose the forward income stream. Yeah that sucks.

But how much has she pocketed in the meantime that she never has to give back? And no jail time like some of the others.

It's a complete win for her.

Cheers,
Patrick

+1 - she has already won her lottery. Everything else is just gravy.

[Sean]

Maybe we should take a poll on when this Cobb will reappear on ebay. More or less than three weeks?

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Edwolf1963

That card appears to be the same here that PWCC sold back on 7FEB, PSA Altered. Expand the picture and look closely at the exact same slight diamond cut and print markings especially at the bottom between the L and E in LEAGUE. As well as the speckling around the G

PWCC link..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1934-Goudey-...4AAOSw44BYjP5n

Then Battlefield0516's "BREATHTAKING" cracked out example first on 27FEB, then again (same card) on 21MAR. Same cut, markings, enhanced/brightened and described as "near mint". Can't prove for sure, but this fits her typical historical pattern of buying low grade and altered cards, cracking, enhancing and reselling as something much nicer.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BABE-RUTH-19...0AAOSw4CFYroJB

Please note that the winning bidder has exactly 50 feedbacks and the runner up a measly 27. I see some pain in the future forecast.

[TheNightmanCometh]

If she gets booted off, what's stopping her from creating a new account and starting over?

[granite75]

Those photoshops are unmistakable

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[VintageBen]

These classic vintage cards will still sell for big money if she was honest. I really hope she gets caught. I feel really bad for the people buying these raw cards for $$$$. But if you are dropping that much money on a card, I would advise one to make sure it was authenticated by either PSA, SGC, or Beckett. Maybe we should all protest outside of her work/home/gated community in Alabama. I'm due for a vacation.



--Ben Jordan

[VintageBen]

And if I wasn't made aware of this forum by Orly57, I can't say that I wouldn't have bought from Battlefield. Nothing gets past our net54 community members.

[Leon]

Here is some feedback from my contact at ebay...

From: leon luckey [mailto:leonl@flash.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 6:42 AM
To: ebay.com>
Subject: RE: Action Required to Activate Membership for Net54baseball.com Forums

Hi D
I guess I am still having a hard time understanding why ebay has a problem kicking off someone committing fraud right in front of your face. Even if they sell thousands of good items they are still committing fraud. Do me a favor, look at a recent post in that thread and tell me what you think. It is post #236. They won the 3k Ruth card last month, cracked it out of the case saying it was altered and sold it as unaltered. How can that be difficult to see? Ray Charles could see it...Someone needs to tell them to quit. Isn’t that you?


Hello,

Just letting you know this is a lower priority project so looking at this in between other asks. The problem that I am seeing is losses generally aren’t being calculated by eBay due to the returns and fact buyers are not filing SNAD claims. If more people did that even if they planned to return it (especially for the high dollar items) it will get on more radars meaning the seller would be reviewed for potential not as described concerns. What I am now doing is scoping this to get a currently unquantified (and largely unquantifiable) view of the matter. A post like #236 is definitely concerning but I can see how the analytic backend does not see it looking for threshold exceptions to generate the work fraud teammates action.

Just so we are clear as actions will happen in some regard, telling you right now you as an external user will not know the extent unless the seller comes onto the board to discuss it. Longer term, I am working with management to kick around the idea of enhanced member reporting for niche products (sports cards, comic books, etc). That means being flagged as a trusted reporter (experts in an industry that can speak to clear potential violations within said industry) with a better consistency of concerns being addressed for instances like #236 that machines can’t effectively notice. It will help for instances like this but will require buy in from other teams so can’t make any promises.

I see a seller which we agree is a problem, but I also see the larger concern that I’m trying to solve for using this as a potential business case if the losses can be appropriately measured.

D

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Originally Posted by VintageBen

These classic vintage cards will still sell for big money if she was honest. I really hope she gets caught. I feel really bad for the people buying these raw cards for $$$$. But if you are dropping that much money on a card, I would advise one to make sure it was authenticated by either PSA, SGC, or Beckett. Maybe we should all protest outside of her work/home/gated community in Alabama. I'm due for a vacation.



--Ben Jordan

[pow323]

Sounds like a political answer to me!! LOL!

[sterlingfox]

The key here seems to be the flood of legitimate items, which is enough to overcome the "threshold exceptions" level that ebay's built-in algorithm looks for.

Even if every single person who was defrauded made a SNAD complaint, it probably still wouldn't be enough to reach the necessary threshold level to get them reviewed and booted.

Well played, battlefield. Well played.

[Stampsfan]

This is obviously someone who understands (eBay's) computer models and metrics around the threshold and ratios of good sales to bad. This is either done with inside info, or lots of trial and error.

Even if the metrics can be derived through trial and error, eBay can change them at any time. Yes she is always on top of it, it appears. Does she have insider help? This is a fairly lucrative game she has going.

Just sayin'...

[Leon]

Ok, we might be getting somewhere guys. Yes, this seller might know thresholds but they are doing the wrong thing. I think some interest has been peaked. Here is an email I just now received from my contact. For the record I have offered to be of any help I can...I should add it should be kept in mind this program being mentioned below is not a done deal but is being worked on. We can only try as much as we can....

Hi Leon,

Just to let you know movement has happened with the seller and if you can watch with that thread or otherwise, definitely let me know if any other listings come up so we can remove them before the items end.

For the second longer term piece, would you or do you know someone that you would personally trust on the net54 forum that we can setup as an expert reporter? Long story short, bit of vetting to ensure they are “experts in the industry” but referrals are given priority to a team specializing with misleading auctions so have to be 100% accurate referrals every time. The qualifications to begin is to have an active eBay account, not a seller in the categories you are reporting for, and no past policy violations. This will solve the pain points that your board has been seeing with this seller in the past and others that have likely come and gone.

If you are interested or know someone who would be let me know and I can forward there information to one of the policy managers for collectibles and we can see if it would be feasible to setup.

Originally Posted by Stampsfan

This is obviously someone who understands (eBay's) computer models and metrics around the threshold and ratios of good sales to bad. This is either done with inside info, or lots of trial and error.

Even if the metrics can be derived through trial and error, eBay can change them at any time. Yes she is always on top of it, it appears. Does she have insider help? This is a fairly lucrative game she has going.

Just sayin'...

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

problem is the "Not a seller in the categories you are reporting for" clause.

EDIT: Still awesome that something may actually come of this!