1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

[vintagerookies51]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

Anyone happen to know when the 13 Bond Bread Jackie Robinson cards were issued relative to the original 48 card Bond Bread set with rounded/die cut corners?

Take a look at this thread- goes into great detail
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=171169

[NiceDocter]

Have read this thread today with interest. I remember the cards being for sale back in the late 70s in an ad in the Trader Speaks but passed on them as I had a feeling they were NOT originals at the time. Interestingly, I bought about 40 or so 8 x 10 black and white poster-like inserts(?) of the same players and poses at the Saturday Flea market where back in the day you could still make some cool finds.... still have them buried in a box somewhere, I remember Ted Williams, Joe Louis, Primo Carnera, Max Baer, Phil Rizzuto, Stan Musial, Bob Feller and a few others.... they were on a soft paper looked to be from the 40s or 50s..... same poses and signatures..... any info on these? Blank backed .... no manufacturer anywhere. They do have borders on them unlike a lot of the cards Ive seen.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by NiceDocter

Have read this thread today with interest. I remember the cards being for sale back in the late 70s in an ad in the Trader Speaks but passed on them as I had a feeling they were NOT originals at the time. Interestingly, I bought about 40 or so 8 x 10 black and white poster-like inserts(?) of the same players and poses at the Saturday Flea market where back in the day you could still make some cool finds.... still have them buried in a box somewhere, I remember Ted Williams, Joe Louis, Primo Carnera, Max Baer, Phil Rizzuto, Stan Musial, Bob Feller and a few others.... they were on a soft paper looked to be from the 40s or 50s..... same poses and signatures..... any info on these? Blank backed .... no manufacturer anywhere. They do have borders on them unlike a lot of the cards Ive seen.

They are from a 1940s multisport pack. Here are a few:




This Graziano is not one of the bread cards but he was a major personality in the late 1940s:



I've also had FB players Johnny Lujack and Doc Blanchard, and Bob Feller.

[NiceDocter]

YES thank you ExhibitMan those are the ones! Now that you mention, I seem to remember a few football as well.... maybe Glenn Davis? I will post a list of what I have when I dig em out! Thanks again for posting.

[botn]

Hi Ted,

Not sure if this is the thread http://www.network54.com/Forum/52660...Navy+Ships+set where you got that picture of the "Navy Ships"box. The post by Troy Kirk shows a box that contains movie star cards with the clipped/rounded corners.

You suggested in this thread the corners were clipped/rounded on the baseball issue for inserting with the bread so would you conclude that these movie stars cards may have been distributed the same way and would that make these a 1947 issue as well?

Thanks,
Greg

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by botn

Hi Ted,

........ The post by Troy Kirk shows a box that contains movie star cards with the clipped/rounded corners.

You suggested in this thread the corners were clipped/rounded on the baseball issue for inserting with the bread so would you conclude that these movie stars cards may have been distributed the same way and would that make these a 1947 issue as well?

Thanks,
Greg

Hi Greg

I don't recall saying the cards of the Movie Stars issue had "rounded corners". The 12-card box (with Lucille Ball) shown that you are alluding to contains square-cornered cards.
The window of this box has beveled corners (not the cards in it). Here are some of my Movie Stars cards. My research indicates that these cards were issued circa 1949-1950.





TED Z
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[botn]

Hi Ted,
That is my point. The link I included in my post to you contained a post by Troy who has these movie star cards in box and the cards have rounded/clipped corners. The movie star cards you showed do not.

Here is a picture of a friend's boxed sets. These cards all have clipped/rounded corners. In fact he listed the singles on ebay. Here is a link to one of the cards that came out of those boxes. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Judy-Garland...4AAOSwdI9Y8Twg
Thanks,
Greg

Originally Posted by vintagerookies51

Take a look at this thread- goes into great detail
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=171169

Great read...thanks for the link! Still trying to determine which card was released first though, the portrait with facsimile auto promo card (white borders) that is part of the Jackie set or the die cut/rounded corner portrait that was part of the regular issued 48 card set? Has this been established? And if so, which came first?

[CharleyBrown]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

Great read...thanks for the link! Still trying to determine which card was released first though, the portrait with facsimile auto promo card (white borders) that is part of the Jackie set or the die cut/rounded corner portrait that was part of the regular issued 48 card set? Has this been established? And if so, which came first?

The white border auto promo card was first distributed in June 1947 in NYC (and I believe outside of NYC, specifically Baltimore and DC - but I will confirm that in a few weeks once my schedule frees up and I have time to go through my last bit of research material).

While I am not sure an exact release date for either can be pinned down, Ted Z will likely be able to confirm whether or not the die-cut / rounded corners set of 44 was available prior to June 1947.

It should also be noted that, in addition to both the white facs. auto and the die cut set of 44 card, Jackie did have another card come out in 1947 - the Old Gold Kneeling in Dugout card. That card, however, was distributed in September, 1947.

Originally Posted by CharleyBrown

The white border auto promo card was first distributed in June 1947 in NYC (and I believe outside of NYC, specifically Baltimore and DC - but I will confirm that in a few weeks once my schedule frees up and I have time to go through my last bit of research material).

While I am not sure an exact release date for either can be pinned down, Ted Z will likely be able to confirm whether or not the die-cut / rounded corners set of 44 was available prior to June 1947.

It should also be noted that, in addition to both the white facs. auto and the die cut set of 44 card, Jackie did have another card come out in 1947 - the Old Gold Kneeling in Dugout card. That card, however, was distributed in September, 1947.

Thanks Shaun! I'm anxiously awaiting input from Ted (or anyone for that matter) regarding his knowledge of the release of these two cards. Just trying to establish which was his absolute first card, if that is even possible.

[tedzan]

Hi Dan

I recall being in school in 1947 when us kids were comparing the BOND BREAD regular issue (48) cards. So, that timeframe could have been in the
Spring of 1947 (or the Fall of 1947).

As I have mentioned, the Jackie Robinson cards were never marketed in my town (Hillside, NJ); therefore, I cannot provide a timeline for this issue.


TED Z
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[CharleyBrown]

Dan,

It might be worth exploring some old newspapers / publications from 1947 to determine whether it was the fall or spring of '47.

I do know that many of the '47 BB set of 44 pictures came from team photo packs from 1947, so it might be worth exploring when those were made available by the teams. I would believe that the cards were distributed after the team photo packs were, since the photo pack images appear to be the source of the BB photos.

Originally Posted by CharleyBrown

Dan,

It might be worth exploring some old newspapers / publications from 1947 to determine whether it was the fall or spring of '47.

I do know that many of the '47 BB set of 44 pictures came from team photo packs from 1947, so it might be worth exploring when those were made available by the teams. I would believe that the cards were distributed after the team photo packs were, since the photo pack images appear to be the source of the BB photos.

Good idea! I will look into that and update you if I discover anything worthwhile.

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Dan

I recall being in school in 1947 when us kids were comparing the BOND BREAD regular issue (48) cards. So, that timeframe could have been in the
Spring of 1947 (or the Fall of 1947).

As I have mentioned, the Jackie Robinson cards were never marketed in my town (Hillside, NJ); therefore, I cannot provide a timeline for this issue.


TED Z
.

I can't believe you cant remember for sure Ted, it was only 70 years ago! So unless someone recalls or has evidence that these cards were issued prior to June, it sounds like maybe the only way to confirm which came first would be to determine the exact date that Jackie signed on with Bond Bread. If it was early in the year it would at least leave the window open for the regular issued set of 48 cards being released in Spring of 1947 (which might make sense with spring training and a new season approaching), whereas, if he signed on closer to mid-year it would exclude the possibility of the release of the 48 card set in the Spring of '47 (unless they were issued at different times throughout the season), and lend support to the white-bordered Bond Bread Promo card being the first issued card (in June).

[tedzan]

Hey guys,

I have the 1947 NEW YORK YANKEES team photo pack; and when I get home I'll check it out. My point here is that Joe Gordon
is pictured in a Yankees uniform in the 48 card set.
However, he was traded for Allie Reynolds to the Indians in Oct 1946.

Therefore, this may imply that this set was issued early in 1947.

NEW YORK YANKEES
--------------------
JOE DiMAGGIO
LARRY BERRA
JOE GORDON
CHARLIE KELLER
JOHNNY LINDELL
PHIL RIZZUTO
AARON ROBINSON


TED Z
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[Harford20]

Along the lines of Ted's thinking, I have always looked at George Birdie Tebbetts as the "swing factor". He appears in his catcher gear, but I believe is wearing his Detroit uniform underneath (as the cursive D sticks out). Birdie was traded by the Detroit Tigers to the Boston Red Sox for Hal Wagner on May 20, 1947. This adds some credence to the "early 1947" release of the 48-card set.

Dave

[Ct94122]

Just got these back from SGC and thought I would post. I appreciate the information provided about this set going back 10 years or more on this thread. I also have a bunch of the Hollywood versions of cards ( Jimmy Stewart, Alan Ladd, etc). They have rounded corners but I cannot find as much information on the star cards as the baseball. I appreciate the net54 community and the wealth of knowledge in this forum community.

[Ct94122]

Trying to figure out photos.

[eremin2000]

Originally Posted by Ct94122

Trying to figure out photos.

Through the miracle of modern technology and communication, here are CT's photos!