Question on Autograph Pricing

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Posted By: Danny Grimes

A dealer has 4 certified by JSA index cards from 1919 Blacksox stars Eddie Cicotte, Lefty Williams, Chic Gandil, Swede Riseberg. Im thinking of picking at least one of them up and want to double check pricing since im not a autograph collector and not too knowledable about pricing on index cards. thanks for your time.

Danny

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Posted By: Rhys

It is going to be hard to get an accurate price because it could be an ugly taped over signature or a beautiful 3X5 card of the same guy and the prices are going to be very different. Here are my opinions assuming they are all pretty nice.

Gandil $300-$500
Cicotte $250-$400
Risberg $1200-$1500
Williams $1500-$1750

Risberg is supposed to be tougher according to several people, but I have seen maybe 10-15 different ones come up for sale (all from the same group as you probably know) whereas I have seen maybe 5 Williams in the last 15 years come up for sale. Just an estimate but that should give you an idea.

Rhys

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Posted By: Danny Grimes

thanks for the input!

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Posted By: Chris

You will be hard pressed to get Cicotte or Gandil for less than $500. Maybe not even less than $600. I would gladly pay $400 for either. I don't know about the other two. I personally have never seen them for sale, though I am sure they have been offered for sale.

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Posted By: Rhys

These did not sell on ebay for $500 each and I have seen them change hands in the last few years for my low estimates so I will stand behind my statement.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-1919-Black-Sox-Cicotte-Gandil-Autographs-Lot-JSA_W0QQitemZ120300573338QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item1 20300573338&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A4%7C65%3A13%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14>

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

I have seen a Cicotte auto on ebay that does not get a $500 minimum bid. It's been on ebay a bunch of times in the last year or so. It comes up in one of my Nebraska searches because he played for Lincoln in 1907 and whoever has this auto must have his whole bio on the listing.

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Posted By: Chris

There was a Cicotte in Hunts Auction Feb 2007 that sold for $475 + BP. There was a Gandil that sold on EBay maybe 4 months ago that went for about $585. I don't remember the exact amount. There is actually one of both in the Mile High auction I believe.

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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm

A typical 1960's Cicotte 3X5 should retail for about $400-450. I have sold two or three at that price. Gandil should be priced at least twice as high, if not more. These are strictly retail estimates. Cicotte, although always in demand, is a fairly easy acquisition. Gandil's availability seems to come and go in waves. I might see a few availablie in two months, then there will be a drought that lasts for six months-one year. Both Gandil and Cicotte didn't seem to grant many requests until the final decade of their lives. Cicotte lived under an assumed name for many years to avoid talk of the scandal.

Edit: Chris: I was the underbidder on the Gandil 3X5 you mentioned.

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Posted By: Vincent

While not pricing related, I thought this lot from the Mastro August 2007 auction was appropriate to share in this discussion:

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Posted By: Rhys

Not that it matters anymore, but here are some very recent auction prices for you.

Rhys

http://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDetail2.aspx?lotid=11626

http://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDetail2.aspx?lotid=11625