Piedmont Fac. 42

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Posted By: MVSNYC

hi, as suggested by Ted, maybe we could do a quick survey, as to how many Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42 backs are out there...i own 2 commons (PSA 2 & PSA 3).

i hope it is ok to include this link, it is from T206 Museum, scarcity list of backs...you will see that they say the P-42, is rarer than lenox, broad leaf 350, and carolina brights among others...

http://www.t206museum.com/page/ch_scbklt.html

lets see what we can find out here. thanks!

michael

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Posted By: andy becker

one for me......red cobb.

i have owned 2 others in the last year; willets and cy young glove shows

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Posted By: peter ullman

i have 3...chase black cap ny amer, ames hands above head ny nat'l and conroy w/bat wash out of 160 or so i've had.


i venture to say rarer than car brights, similar to bl 350, NOT rarer than lennox.

pete ullman

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Posted By: MVSNYC

i guess whoever is responding should try to approximate how many P-42's they have or have owned, out of how many total cards...for me, i have owned maybe close to 300 different T206's over the last 13 years...so for me it is 2/300.

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Posted By: Drew

I have one Pied Fac 42 out of 900 cards. Joss pitching.
I wasn't aware of the back when i bought the card in the late 1980's.
Drew

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I have one - Red Cobb

I purchased it intentionally

I have never found one randomly

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

I have one out of maybe 60 or 70 T206s - a common beater who's name escapes me right now.

-Al

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Posted By: warshawlaw

Chase w/loving cup and Bradley.

edited to say: 1 purchased w/knowledge of the back, one purchased for the player (Chase) and later found out it was rare.

I have been scouring T206 commons for years looking for these and have run across only the Bradley and one other (in horrible condition and sold by me some years ago) whose name escapes me. They are very hard to find.

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Posted By: andy becker

3/1200ish

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Posted By: Cobby33

I have 2, both of which I intentionally purchased. Otherwise, never have come across one randomly (yet)!

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Posted By: Dave

0/37 and not expecting one anytime soon

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Posted By: Ed McCollum

0/178 or 0/15 different backs in collection

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Posted By: peter ullman

i might add all 3 of mine were intentionally purchased as I was a backs collector.

pete ullman

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Posted By: T E

0/66...

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Posted By: robert

2 out of 750 or so over the last several years, but I didn't go looking for them like I have broadleaf, lenox, etc.

Rob

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Posted By: MVSNYC

i see a pattern developing...it is without a doubt, an extremely tuff variation...thanks so far for your input...i guess i should add, one of mine was found in a lot, and the other one was purchased intentionally...

MS

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

I have 3 out of about 1000+ that I have handled. I have Smith, Chicago & Boston, Seymour, Throwing & Schaefer, Wash. The Smith is the only one I paid a premium for, the other 2 I got at normal price although I knew they were fact 42's.

I think it would be nice to now which players we have to see if all the 460 cards are covered.

Lee

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Posted By: Judson Hamlin

I've got two - Seymour and Stahl - out of 500+, and that was with looking for them for a long time.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I have 3 out of my current collection of 1000+ T206's.

But, I should qualify this by mentioning that approx. 700 of these cards are Piedmont's.

T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Pretty Darn rare, obviously

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Posted By: robert a

We had a similar thread on Sweet Cap 350-460 Fact 25.

Here's the link: http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1126153517/Sweet+Cap.+350-460+Factory+No.+25

Collectors were providing very low counts as well.


They are both pretty uncommon, but not exceedingly attractive because they're just not that exciting.

Piedmont 42s have been picking up steam for the last two years though.

Rob

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Posted By: Martin Neal

I have six factory 42s, all of which I paid premiums for.
They are:
Wiltse throwing
White Chicago throwing
Sweeney New York
Downey throwing
Griffith batting
Lajoie portrait

I have bid on quite a few that are probably owned by members of the board.

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Posted By: Cobby33

I plan on listing my 2 on eBay in the next couple of weeks, but may try B/S/T beforehand. (Shameless plug- sorry)

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Posted By: Todd Schultz

bought unintenionally--no back scan or mention of factory in auction description:

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Posted By: joe

0/30, never looked for backs.

Joe

Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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Posted By: cn

My only one is a Red Cobb SGC 30 out of about 400. CN

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Posted By: Bill

I have one in my collection which I discovered by accident. It is a SGC 70 Wagner Bat on Right Shoulder. So far, the data obtained for the "Super Set" has 44 different cards with Factory 42 backs.

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Posted By: MikeW

I had a Red Cobb I bought years ago. When I discovered later on that is was a Fact 42 I passed it along for Im not a big "backs" collector.

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Posted By: JimB

I have none out of 550 T206s. Brand backs and to some extent series backs do the trick for me. I can't get excited about factory numbers.
JimB


edited for spelling.

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Posted By: martindl

one, Kleinow Boston, purchased intentially for the Fact 42 back. I have about 50 T206's.

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Posted By: Scott M

I have one Piedmont Fact.42 out of over 500... Seymour Throwing.

Interesting thing, for me, was that it was obtained in a lot of 10 T205/T206 cards on eBay about a year and a half ago.

The seller knew enough to advertise the Broadleaf T205 back but didn't mention the Piedmont Factory 42 T206 so it was a nice surprise to find in the lot.

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Posted By: Joey

I have one, the Frank Chance yellow portrait , out of 319 cards.

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

Martin

can I see a scan of the Lajoie portrait piedmont factory 42?

I don't think this front/back combo exist.

Mine- M. Brown Chi., Lajoie bat, Wagner no B, and Young glove.

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Posted By: Martin Neal

Jim, my mistake. It is a Lajoie with bat. Your Wagner (no B) factory 42 has got to be an extremely rare combination. If you get a chance, I would love to see a scan of your Wagner. Mine is a Piedmont 350-460 factory 25 Lajoie back ,Lajoie front with Wagner no B

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Posted By: joe brennan

No piedmonts. But I do have this:
OVERALL CHICAGO NATL HANDS WAIST SWEET CAP 350-460 FAC 42

People said it was a million dollar wound. But the government must keep that money, cause I ain't never seen a penny of it.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Bergen,Brooklyn; Chance,Chicago; Cobb,bat away

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Posted By: Mark

Have a Jennings hands in air. Used to have a couple of others, I believe a Chance blue portrait and a Seymour portrait.

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Posted By: Scot Reader

I actively collected this back for a couple of years.

Currently have:

Chase (With Cup)
Lajoie (With Bat)
Leifield (Batting)
Manning (Hands Above)
Murphy (With Bat)
Steinfeldt (With Bat)

Had and sold:

Pelty (Vertical)

This back appeared on 0.1% of the cards in my ebay survey, i.e. 1/1000. Similar to Black Lenox and Broadleaf 350 in terms of difficulty. Tougher than Carolina Brights; easier than Broadleaf 460, Brown Lenox, Drum, Red Hindu and Uzit.

Scot

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

With the cards so far only 5 of them are from the 460 only series. Any possibilty those 5 belong in the 350/460 series?

There are 18 of the 350/460 series not accounted for yet:

Burch, Davis, Donlin, Doolan,Doyle, Elberfeld, Johnson,lake, Leach, Leifeld, McQuillen, Mullin, Rucker, Street, Tinker, Wilhelm, Willis (bat), Willis (throwing).
Are there any more out there?



Lee

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Posted By: RayB

Zero/215 cards.
RayB

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Posted By: Art M.

These are from my collection:

Bender, no trees
Chase, blue portrait
Cobb, red portrait
Crawford, batting
Jennings, jumping for joy
Jennings, yelling
McIntyre, Brooklyn & Chicago
Mullin, batting
O'Leary, hands on knees
Pfeister, throwing
Willetts, pitching
Wiltse, portrait with cap

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Posted By: MVSNYC

are:

cy seymour, portrait & harry mcintyre, bk & chi

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Lee,

You raise an interesting point. However, I think there is little chance that the five 460-only subjects confirmed on this thread with Piedmont 42 are 350/460. For example, I have seen Bergen (Catching) with the Sweet Cap 460/30 and Sovereign 460 backs and those backs are ONLY possible on 460-only subjects and the six 350/460 superprinted subjects (of which Bergen is not one). But it is clear that Piedmont 42 is MUCH easier to find on 350/460 subjects than 460-only subjects--suggesting to me that ATC possibly stopped printing this back shortly after it released the 460-only subjects.

Scot

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Posted By: barry arnold

0 out of 425.
rarer than the epdg!!
i know; i'm only teasin'.

best,

barry

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

SCOT R

If I have understood every post here correctly.....I am amazed how many P460/42
cards are from the 460-only series relative to the total cards reported here.

Here are the ones from the 460-series.....

Chase (trophy).....2 cards

Bergen

Kleinow (Boston)

Schaefer (Washington)

Smith (Boston & Chicago)

Wiltse (portrait/cap)


And, I will add the Latham (Thanks to Brian W) from this series.

T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Ted,

Here are some other 350/460s that I recall seeing with Piedmont 42:

Cobb (Bat Off)
Johnson (Hands at Chest)
Lake (No Ball)
Leach (Bending)
Matty (Dark Cap)
Rucker (Throwing)
Snodgrass (Catching)
Stahl (Glove Shows)

On the other hand, I have never seen any 460-onlys beyond the handful that have already been noted.

Piedmont 42 is definitely more difficult with 460-only.

Interestingly, the opposite is true of Black Lenox--that back is much more difficult with 350/460s and much easier (although of course still difficult in an absolute sense) with 460-onlys.

Scot

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Posted By: warshawlaw

I bought my Chase for the player and pose, not the back. The back is turning out to be a big bonus.

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

I have 34 Piedmont 42's, but only 22 different ones. I will list them when I return home, but Scott is correct, they are much tougher to find in the 460 only series. Be well Brian
Here are my 42's:

BAKERTHROW
COBBRED
COBBBAT OFF
KLEINOWBOSTON
KONETCHYGL LOW
LATHAMPOR
BERGENCATCH
MANNINGPITCH
WILLISBat
MATHEWSONDCAP
MCINTYREBR&CH
OVERALLTHROW
PELTYVERT
SEYMOURTHROW
SMITHCHI&BOS
SNODGRASSCATCH
WHITECHI
WAGNERRIGHT
SWEENEY Throw
CHASE DCAP
Wiltse Throwing
ELBERFELD FIELDING

Sorry for the Caps, cut and paste job...

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Guys,
I have added my list to an earlier post. Be well Brian

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Brian,

Very interesting. If I'm not mistaken, all of yours are 350/460 except Bergen (Catching), Kleinow (Boston), Latham and Smith (Chicago & Boston). Moreover, each of these four was previously mentioned. So it would seem not only that 460-only subjects are exceedingly tough with Piedmont 42, but that where they are found there is concentration among just a handful of subjects.

Updating Ted's 460-only stats we have:

Bergen (Catching).....2 cards
Chase (Trophy).....2 cards
Kleinow (Boston).....2 cards
Latham.....2 cards
Schaefer (Washington).....1 card
Smith (Boston & Chicago).....2 cards
Wiltse (Portrait w/Cap).....1 card
The other 41 460-onlys.....0 cards

I also find it interesting that with the possible exception of Bergen (Catching) these 7 are among the more difficult 460-only subjects.

Scot