NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-29-2011, 08:45 AM
rainier2004's Avatar
rainier2004 rainier2004 is offline
Steven
Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Spartan Country, MI
Posts: 2,040
Default What is "Foxing"

Another possibly newb question. Never seen this before until recently when dealers will say card has "foxing" to it. Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-29-2011, 08:52 AM
barrysloate barrysloate is offline
Barry Sloate
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 8,293
Default

When old paper is subject to the elements over time, usually in the form of moisture, it begins to form a fine mold on its surface. It looks like a bit of discoloration or smudging. It is very difficult or nearly impossible to get out. It can be neutralized, however, by having the paper deacidified. A conservator can do this using a special spray.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-29-2011, 09:00 AM
rainier2004's Avatar
rainier2004 rainier2004 is offline
Steven
Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Spartan Country, MI
Posts: 2,040
Default

Thanks Barry for the help, its appreciated. The sellers disclosing that info sound both honest and knowledgable. If the card isnt sprayed will the mold continue then?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-29-2011, 09:39 AM
drc drc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,621
Default

Age spots. One some items they're almost desirable as they show old age.

Last edited by drc; 09-29-2011 at 09:43 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-29-2011, 09:42 AM
steve B steve B is offline
Steve Birmingham
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: eastern Mass.
Posts: 8,106
Default

It depends on the storage conditions. Molds usually like dampness and warmth. Remove those and they die. The problem is the spores which will stay active for a very long time so when the humidity and heat are brought back they begin growing.

On the good side, the stuff that causes foxing seems to be rather slow growing. And I'm pretty sure it needs a certain acidity to live. so deacidification and good storage should stop it for a long time.

Steve B
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-29-2011, 09:43 AM
barrysloate barrysloate is offline
Barry Sloate
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 8,293
Default

Steven- in theory it could spread, but it happens so slowly you probably wouldn't notice. It takes decades to grow.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-29-2011, 10:23 AM
steve B steve B is offline
Steve Birmingham
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: eastern Mass.
Posts: 8,106
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by barrysloate View Post
Steven- in theory it could spread, but it happens so slowly you probably wouldn't notice. It takes decades to grow.
That's for sure Barry. Very slow growing stuff.

I downplayed the slowness because I'm unsure just how slow growing it is. I do know that my 1880's books aren't much different from my 1840's books in how much foxing they have. But I also don't know how long ago each started.

I can't recall seeing foxing on mid 1800's rag paper, and I've never seen it on newsprint. So low acid and high acid environments don't seem to support the mold.

I woudn't worry at all about it spreading, especially in any sort of decent storage. 40-50 years in a humid basement I'd worry but kept in a typical home there shouldn't be any problem at all.

Steve B
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-29-2011, 10:59 AM
DICKTOWLE DICKTOWLE is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 102
Default Foxing

Steve, our company have worked on many cards with foxing, many graded 3 and when done went to a 7. It is working with the paper that really counts, so far every card has worked GONE WITH THE STAIN worked on- good luck sir.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-29-2011, 11:02 AM
uffda51's Avatar
uffda51 uffda51 is offline
Bruce Babcock
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: California
Posts: 576
Default wrong again

I thought it had something to do with Nellie Fox and the 1959 Go-Go White Sox . . .


"I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger. Then it hit me… "
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-29-2011, 11:48 AM
brob28's Avatar
brob28 brob28 is offline
Bi11..R0berts
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Michigan
Posts: 1,134
Default

Any chance anyone has a picture they can share showing this? Trying to get a visual of foxing vs. toning. Would love to see a before and after of any cards that have been treated by a conservator.

Thanks,
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-29-2011, 02:39 PM
old-baseball's Avatar
old-baseball old-baseball is offline
Kevin Andrews
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,150
Default

This is what I would consider "foxing"......



vs. a card showing toning.
__________________
Kevin Andrews
old-baseball@sbcglobal.net

Last edited by old-baseball; 09-29-2011 at 02:42 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-29-2011, 05:09 PM
Chris Counts's Avatar
Chris Counts Chris Counts is offline
Chris Counts
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Bay Area, California
Posts: 1,679
Default

I notice foxing mostly on Exhibit cards. They seem to be magnets for it ...
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-30-2011, 02:10 AM
ls7plus ls7plus is offline
Larry
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Southfield, Michigan
Posts: 1,765
Default Man, what a fox!

Thanks Kevin, I didn't really know what was meant by the term either, and your illustration really clarifies it!

Best wishes,

Larry
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-30-2011, 05:13 AM
Old Hoss Old Hoss is offline
member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 55
Default

"Foxing" is a complicated term, but if you see brownish spots, the item is foxed, or could have some other kind of mold problem. I think that foxing often looks pretty bad. And it does not automatically signify an old item.

Additionally, sellers tend to significantly understate the amount of foxing on an item, so it is important to take a close look at the item (or get several high-quality images of it) before buying.

Finally, if you think an item shows foxing, or some other kind of mold problem, it is important to check if the item smells of mold, or smells funny in any way.

Hope this helps!

Best,
Charles

Last edited by Old Hoss; 09-30-2011 at 05:14 AM.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:23 AM.


ebay GSB