T206 set's Major League teams representation (vs. 150, 350 & 460 Series)

[tedzan]

For anyone interested, here is a numeric tabulation of the Major League ballplayers from each of the 16 teams
as a function of the 3 basic Series (150, 350 & 460) of the T206 set.


TEAM .... .... TOTAL


N Y G ........................ 21 ............................ 16 .......................... 15 ..................... = 52

Cubs ......................... 15 ............................ 15 ........................... 8 ..................... = 38

Detroit ...................... 10 ............................ 20 ........................... 0 ..................... = 30

N Y H ........................ 11 ............................ 14 ........................... 3 .................... = 28

WSox ........................ 14 ............................. 9 ............................ 4 .................... = 27

Brklyn ........................ 11 ........................... 10 ............................ 5 .................... = 26

Cleve ........................ 14 ............................. 9 ............................ 2 ..................... = 25

Cinci .......................... 5 ............................. 17 ............................ 1 .................... = 23

St L AL ...................... 11 ............................. 9 ............................ 2 .................... = 22

A's ............................. 7 ............................ 14 ............................ 1 .................... = 22

Wash .......................... 5 ............................ 13 ........................... 1 .................... = 19

Pitt ............................. 9 ............................. 7 ........................... 3 .................... = 19

St L NL ........................ 4 ............................ 13 ........................... 0 .................... = 17

Bos NL ......................... 6 ............................. 7 ........................... 1 .................... = 14

Bos AL ......................... 5 ............................. 6 ........................... 2 .................... = 13

Phils ............................ 7 ............................. 6 ........................... 0 .................... = 13


Grand total of Major League subjects in the T206 set = 388


NOTE....the Doyle and Magie error cards are not included in this tally, since they are redundant subjects.


TED Z

[shaunsteig]

interesting tally Ted, thanks for sharing. curious why, when most of the teams saw less representation in the 460 series (eg Detroit went from 20 to 0), the NY Nat'l team experienced nearly no decline.

Thanks,
--S

[FrankWakefield]

Could have been skewed toward regional sales, more sales in NY area, then Chicago.

Also, look at the standings; that great 1908 race really sparked interest in baseball...

1908: Cubs Giants Pirates, all within a game of each other.
1909: Pirates Cubs Giants
1910: Cubs Giants Pirates
1911: Giants Cubs Pirates... is anyone else in the league?


Detroit finished 1st, 1st, 3rd, and 2nd those 4 seasons.

I think regional sales, population, and success are factors.

[tedzan]

Shaunsteig

Perhaps the "home court" advantage is why the New York Giants were significantly more represented than any other team (with the exception
of the 1907 & 1908 World Champions Cubs). American Lithographic was based in New York City. And this may also explain why the Highlanders
and Brooklyn are quite well represented.

Anyhow, that's my take on it.

Thanks,

TED Z

[ethicsprof]

Ted,
very interesting tally and observations.
I was looking at Heitman's Monster earlier and noticed that some cities for the SL's have only one player representing them, e.g. augusta,columbus,macon,savannah,birmingham,dallas, houston---while montgomery and nashville have 4.
In a similar vein, with respect to the minor league, montreal has one player
whereas buffalo has 11.
Not trying to sidetrack things but thought these 'oddities' were also interesting.
all the best, ole friend
barry

[David R]

Ted,
I don't think I understand your chart. As I read the chart, there are no Detroit players in the 460 series but I know Cobb has 460 cards -- eg. Cycle 460. What am I missing?

[tedzan]

Note my starting premise ..... "the 3 basic Series of the T206 set".

American Litho's fundamental design of the T206 set with respect to its 522 subjects breaks down to 3 specific series (150, 350 and 460).

Circa Summer/Fall of 1910, American Lithographic selected from their 350 series 66 subjects to complement their 460-Only series by print-
ing them with 460 series backs.......hence, what we now refer to as the "350/460 series".

I didn't account for the cards in the 350/460 series in my first post here since they would be redundant. I do intend to cover this 350/460
series in more detail in my next post on this thread.

Good question.....thanks.

TED Z

[tedzan]

The 350/460 series is very interesting; and, in recent years a completed SOVEREIGN set has provided us insight into American Lithographic's planning
of this series. Circa Summer 1910, American Lithographic (ALC) selected 66 Major Leaguers from their 350 series to complement their 460-only series,
which comprises of only 46 cards. These 66 cards are easily identified by their lighter shade of green (apple green) colored SOVEREIGN 350 backs.
Which contrast with the normal green backs of all the other SOVEREIGN cards.

Actually, ALC printed 63 of these 66 subjects with 460 series backs. Joe Doyle, Simon Nicholls, and Bob Rhoades were originally planned to be in this
group; but, were not printed with 460 series backs (most likely because their careers had ended). Furthermore, Red Kleinow (NY-catching) and Frank
Smith (Chicago-white cap) were both traded to Boston AL in the Spring and Summer 1910, respectively. These trades are reflected on their 350/460
series cards.

Here is the list of the team representation of these 63 cards in the "350/460 series"

Team.....................Subjects

Cubs ......................... 9
Detroit ...................... 8
N Y G ........................ 7
Cleve ........................ 5
Phil A's ...................... 4
Bos AL ...................... 4
Brklyn ....................... 4
N Y H ........................ 4
Wash ........................ 4
Phillies ....................... 3
St L NL ...................... 3
Cinci.......................... 2
Pitts.......................... 2
St L AL....................... 2
WSox......................... 2
Bos NL........................ 0


NOTE....this list reflects team representation that is already included in the tally in Post #1 under the 350 Series (these are not additional numbers).


TED Z

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Could have been skewed toward regional sales, more sales in NY area, then Chicago.

Also, look at the standings; that great 1908 race really sparked interest in baseball...

1908: Cubs Giants Pirates, all within a game of each other.
1909: Pirates Cubs Giants
1910: Cubs Giants Pirates
1911: Giants Cubs Pirates... is anyone else in the league?


Detroit finished 1st, 1st, 3rd, and 2nd those 4 seasons.

I think regional sales, population, and success are factors.

I'd bet on all your above stated factors as contributing to the high concentration of players from the Giants, both Chicago teams, Detroit & Cleveland during
1907-1910. I added Cleveland and the White Sox, since they were 1st division teams in that era. Furthermore, I think you'll agree that New York City based
American Lithographic most likely favored the Highlanders and the Brooklyn players.

However, the 2 major teams of that era that are under-represented are Pittsburg and the A's. And ironically, these two team's superstars (Wagner & Plank)
were "yanked".

There is certainly more here than meets the eye ! ?

I think you know what I am alluding to


TED Z

[FrankWakefield]

It is just dripping with caramel, isn't it...