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I don't think I've seen a more shameless plug on the net, ever? This thread reeks of it like I have never seen any before.

"My exceptional PWCC pickup". Seriously?

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I don't think I've seen a more shameless plug on the net, ever? This thread reeks of it like I have never seen any before.



"My exceptional experience". Seriously?
Exceptional, yes paid an exceptional 4x, yes 4x vcp average for a nice eye appeal 2.5.

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I even sent an email over to Jackie and Joe at PSA this afternoon to see if theyíd consider adding an extra registry point for these PWCC premium labeled cards. Who knows this could be the future of our hobby.
How many points for the purple label?? How many points because I say the card looks good?? Where do you draw the line?
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How many points for the purple label?? How many points because I say the card looks good?? Where do you draw the line?
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If this were your consignment Ted i'm sure you would not feel any guilt over it. So why the harsh tone as if I did something wrong by paying 4x?

I would have paid 10x and others opinions would not matter to me.

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I don't think I've seen a more shameless plug on the net, ever? This thread reeks of it like I have never seen any before.

"My exceptional PWCC pickup". Seriously?
I like to see balance in this crazy world. So all is well now that I brought up a positive experience that went exceptionally well.
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If this were your consignment Ted i'm sure you would not feel any guilt over it. So why the harsh tone as if I did something wrong by paying 4x?

I would have paid 10x and others opinions would not matter to me.

No harm no foul done here.
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At 10x you should put together and post a wantlist.
Quite honestly i'm holding out for the Vault Marketplace that will be available later this year. There is no doubt in my mind there will be superior examples of cards I need that fellow Net54 board members cannot even offer.
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Glad you like it. I just cant see what was the exceptional experience. Ya paid PSA 5 money for a gorgeous 2.5. Plenty of portrait pumpers talking how Hof portraits will take off, just seems a little rich. Exceptional for the grade, garnered an exceptional price. Awful lot of bids with pwcc from underbidders

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Glad you like it. I just cant see what was the exceptional experience. Ya paid PSA 5 money for a gorgeous 2.5. Plenty of portrait pumpers talking how Hof portraits will take off, just seems a little rich. Exceptional for the grade, garnered an exceptional price. Awful lot of bids with pwcc from underbidders

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I think the "exceptional experience" quote got added out of context in this thread. I never said that. My original and subsequent posts just touched on my satisfaction of the card. The PWCC experience was nothing out of the ordinary from other sellers. Prompt communication when I inquired about topics. Quick and secure shipping. The usual stuff.

If you want to talk exceptional. It is their ability to get exceptional consignments in their auctions.
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I think the "exceptional experience" quote got added out of context in this thread. I never said that. My original and subsequent posts just touched on my satisfaction of the card. The PWCC experience was nothing out of the ordinary from other sellers. Prompt communication when I inquired about topics. Quick and secure shipping. The usual stuff.

If you want to talk exceptional. It is their ability to get exceptional consignments in their auctions.
By insinuating that you had an "exceptional" experience leads one to believe your experience was way above any precious experiences you've had with purchasing cards.

I'm still not a 100% sure your thread is not a plug for PWCC or that your not affiliated with them somehow?

You seemed to go to great lengths just for some balance, imo.

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I think Martin's just a guy happy with his purchase and a bit (for some of us) overenthusiastic about PWCC especially given all that's come to light recently but that's his prerogative.
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I think Martin's just a guy happy with his purchase and a bit (for some of us) overenthusiastic about PWCC especially given all that's come to light recently but that's his prerogative.
Martin has also treated his supporters and detractors with equanimity leaving the piranhas with unfulfilled appetites. I'll never win an auction in which he is a bidder, and that should be a relief for both of us.
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Martin has also treated his supporters and detractors with equanimity leaving the piranhas with unfulfilled appetites. I'll never win an auction in which he is a bidder, and that should be a relief for both of us.
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At 10x you should put together and post a wantlist.
LOL, at 10x I will create my own stickers attesting to the wonderfulness of my cards, slap them on my nice 2s and 3s, and be happy as a dead pig in the sunshine to sell them to any willing buyer. To each their own I suppose.
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Martin, I think you paid a very reasonable price for a card with great eye appeal. The hobby is moving quickly in the direction of eye appeal being paramount to technical grade, and I think that's a good thing. It means hobbyists have more power in determining subjective value rather than an equally subjective grading process.

The balance between your focus and that of many others on this thread is their experience of getting a card where the eye appeal or objective flaws of the card once in hand were much different than what was depicted/described to them. Fortunately that wasn't the case with your Waddell, but that's a very legitimate gripe. See? Common ground. Now can we all move on?
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Quite honestly i'm holding out for the Vault Marketplace that will be available later this year. There is no doubt in my mind there will be superior examples of cards I need that fellow Net54 board members cannot even offer.
I'd bet dollar to donuts that "fellow Net54 members" will consign some of those cards. So your idea that we can't offer any "superior examples" seems quite ludicrous.
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I'd bet dollar to donuts that "fellow Net54 members" will consign some of those cards. So your idea that we can't offer any "superior examples" seems quite ludicrous.
Then its sour grapes when they don't sell for record prices.

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Then its sour grapes when they don't sell for record prices.

Just to cover our bases for the next rehash
The "marketplace vault" is a "set your price" type deal. Like the BST board. Except things should sell for more through PWCC.
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The "marketplace vault" is a "set your price" type deal. Like the BST board. Except things should sell for more through PWCC.
I can only imagine how high prices are going to be...
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Didn't Memory Lane experiment like that with something called "Own It Now"? How did that go? Are they still doing that?
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Martin, I think you paid a very reasonable price for a card with great eye appeal. The hobby is moving quickly in the direction of eye appeal being paramount to technical grade, and I think that's a good thing. It means hobbyists have more power in determining subjective value rather than an equally subjective grading process.

The balance between your focus and that of many others on this thread is their experience of getting a card where the eye appeal or objective flaws of the card once in hand were much different than what was depicted/described to them. Fortunately that wasn't the case with your Waddell, but that's a very legitimate gripe. See? Common ground. Now can we all move on?
Very well said James. Subjective value! I couldn't agree more and hope others realize that this is the trend moving forward. I understand old habits die hard.
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I'd bet dollar to donuts that "fellow Net54 members" will consign some of those cards. So your idea that we can't offer any "superior examples" seems quite ludicrous.
From my understanding the vault marketplace will be for cards that are stored in the PWCC vault. It is also my understanding that Net54 members don't use use their services
If i'm wrong i'd welcome those who do use PWCC services reach out so we can privately discuss our experiences, ideas and strategies moving forward. It really is an exciting time to be back in the hobby.
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Hi Martin, I remember you posting about the cracket Jack price increases a month ago.


"I am shocked at the vcp data for how much prices have jumped in 2017, 2018. I cannot make sense of the erratic price on a card that has been around for over a hundred years. Price trends for 100 years do not support the new going rate."


I guess the answer is eye appeal. Also, I happened to notice you are in the Pacific NW, curious how far are you from Oswego Lake? A lot of strategies being discussed up there.
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And it gets even better, PWCC promised today to stop dealing with card doctors!! Of course, I guess that's sort of an admission that they have been, but whatever. The glass is half full, or at least a quarter.
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From my understanding the vault marketplace will be for cards that are stored in the PWCC vault. It is also my understanding that Net54 members don't use use their services
If i'm wrong i'd welcome those who do use PWCC services reach out so we can privately discuss our experiences, ideas and strategies moving forward. It really is an exciting time to be back in the hobby.
I spoke to a former IRS agent from the Criminal Investigation Unit today and I explained to him what Brent is doing with his vault. He told me I must have rocks in my head to think that is legal. Notice I am not inserting a winkie emoji, Martin.

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I spoke to a former IRS agent from the Criminal Investigation Unit today and I explained to him what Brent is doing with his vault. He told me I must have rocks in my head to think that is legal. Notice I am not inserting a winkie emoji, Martin.
To paraphrase Mark Antony.

But Brady says it's not about sales tax, and Brady is an honorable man.
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To paraphrase Mark Antony.

But Brady says it's not about sales tax, and Brady is an honorable man.
Sales tax? What sales tax? You mean the vault allows people to evade tax? Oh my god what an awesome unintended benefit!
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If you keep profits in your all new PWCC money market account, you dont have to pay tax on those either. He's moving to the Caymans
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If you keep profits in your all new PWCC money market account, you dont have to pay tax on those either. He's moving to the Caymans
And next will be the PWCC IRA, you can hold baseball cards -- I mean assets --- just like a gold IRA.
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I can now confirm that the exceptional sticker on the OPís card more than doubles the PWCC market value. I recently purchased a similar T206 Waddell Portrait in a PSA 3.5 holder for a little more than half of the exceptionally stickered card.

I guess Iím the fool, as I donít have a sticker to admire. Oh well, live and learn.
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Hi Martin, I remember you posting about the cracket Jack price increases a month ago.


"I am shocked at the vcp data for how much prices have jumped in 2017, 2018. I cannot make sense of the erratic price on a card that has been around for over a hundred years. Price trends for 100 years do not support the new going rate."


I guess the answer is eye appeal. Also, I happened to notice you are in the Pacific NW, curious how far are you from Oswego Lake? A lot of strategies being discussed up there.
Iím an Oregon resident. Nothing but a coincidence. Itís a hot market for the west coast.
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I spoke to a former IRS agent from the Criminal Investigation Unit today and I explained to him what Brent is doing with his vault. He told me I must have rocks in my head to think that is legal. Notice I am not inserting a winkie emoji, Martin.
May I remind you that this vault is a multi million dollar investment by the company. Probably wise to do research before making assumptions and getting counsel from random professionals on the matter. Because the due diligence has absolutely been done by those with skin in the game.
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He told me I must have rocks in my head. Notice I am not inserting a winkie emoji, Martin.
Fixed it for you.
Having a little fun. Letís loosen up this joint.
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May I remind you that this vault is a multi million dollar investment by the company. Probably wise to do research before making assumptions and getting counsel from random professionals on the matter. Because the due diligence has absolutely been done by those with skin in the game.
It's unfortunate a similar level of due diligence was not done with all the consignors PWCC now has to sever ties with (or claim to) to try to save its battered reputation.
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May I remind you that this vault is a multi million dollar investment by the company. Probably wise to do research before making assumptions and getting counsel from random professionals on the matter. Because the due diligence has absolutely been done by those with skin in the game.
Would it be better if I spoke to a top NY criminal defense attorney?
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Here is the basic contour of the issue from an online source.

Just remember, avoiding the tax at checkout doesn’t mean you’ve avoided it forever. You are liable for use tax if you bring the goods into your state or have them shipped to you. States historically didn’t enforce use tax except against businesses, but that’s changing. Many state income tax forms now collect use tax, and remember, you sign tax returns under penalty of perjury.

I would be surprised if all the cards being shipped to the vault are going to be resold through the marketplace particularly those purchased at record prices. I suspect a high percentage will be shipped from PWCC to their owners.
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