Insights into probable T206 uncut sheets

[tedzan]

Sorry, but I don't understand your point ?

My old list includes what was then the "elusive 8"....and, 2 subjects (that have since been found with SOVERIGN 350 backs).
Therefore, there are 58 cards listed.

The list of 48 cards, that I have posted here in this thread, has been updated. And, as is obvious, the old "elusive 8" are not
included.


TED Z

[cfc1909]

Ted

I didn't have a point-both posts were yours.

Also Doc White ( on your most recent list of 48) exists with Sovereign 350

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...cago-79662085#

[frohme]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Sorry, but I don't understand your point ?

My old list includes what was then the "elusive 8"....and, 2 subjects (that have since been found with SOVERIGN 350 backs).
Therefore, there are 58 cards listed.
[...]


TED Z

Hi Ted,

Just to confirm - Gibson is one of the two now confirmed with Sovereign 350? Had not seen one and know its been on your "no-print" list for a while but noticed it not in the most recent.

Many thanks.
--
Mike

[tedzan]

Mike

It was an oversight in typing up the list. I should have included Gibson.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Gibson is back on the list.


TED Z

[tedzan]

I've recently acquired Doc White with a SOVEREIGN 350.

My mistake in including him on the list. White has been removed.

Gibson has been re-listed (as noted in above post).

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.


TED Z

[mkdltn]

Are these the 150 only series subjects? Using the information you have put forth in this thread I think the original art for these cards may have been executed in strips of six subjects. Which one am I missing?

[tedzan]

In the initial press run, my guess is Honus Wagner.

When American Litho. yanked the Wagner card, my guess is they replaced him with Schulte (front view).
This T206 subject has all the characteristics of of the 150-only subjects. However, there exists a single
copy of Schulte with a PIEDMONT 350 back (which defies this grouping).

Anyhow, that is my take on it. At least, it's nice to know that some else here appears to agree with my
"factor of 6" theory.


Thanks for posting those great pictures.


TED Z

[Brian Weisner]

The Evers and M. Brown are the wrong poses..... Evers should be Blue sky and Brown should have Cubs on shirt....
Be well Brian

[mkdltn]

I think these are Trae Reagans flickr pics that he did, very nice work. I would have been pulling from the LOC cards and it would take time to modify. I think Schulte fits best as this group is all action poses.

I think Wagner is one of another known grouping along with four others. with this group and the Wagner strip I think that the portraits and Action poses were executed as separate groups.

I think your factor of six is extremely plausible, going back to the cigar labels, Many, my own ALC labels included are approximately 6X9 in size, the proofs are larger with the addition of the color bar and what not but once cut for production are about 6x9. This is all speculation on my part but it is fun to ponder.

[wpeters]

Is it the consensus of this group that the T206s were printed differently than any ather ATC card? I'm thinking of non-sports cards, which seem to consist of 50 or 100 card sets and the factor of 6 does not seem to apply.

Would American Lithographic use different presses or different sheet configurations for sports and non-sports subjects?

It seems likely to me that they printed all cards using the same method. In my opinion just looking at the T206 cards seems to be taking too narrow a view.

What do the members think?

[tedzan]

American Litho. (ALC) started producing the Gold-bordered sets (sports & non-sports) in the Spring of 1911. Here are two popular examples.





The basic T205 set comprises of 200 cards. The T80 set has 50 cards, as do many other non-sports sets (then there are some that consist
of 100 cards). From these numbers I think we can conclude that ALC, after the T206 production runs, switched to a different format (consis-
tent with their printing equipment).



TED Z

[wpeters]

Originally Posted by tedzan

American Litho. (ALC) started producing the Gold-bordered sets (sports & non-sports) in the Spring of 1911. Here are two popular examples.

The basic T205 set comprises of 200 cards. The T80 set has 50 cards, as do many other non-sports sets (then there are some that consist
of 100 cards). From these numbers I think we can conclude that ALC, after the T206 production runs, switched to a different format (consis-
tent with their printing equipment).



TED Z

I do not think we can conclude that at all. As a matter of fact it seems pretty far fetched. I believe that the T206s were issued concurrently with other card sets, including non-sports. Are you asking us to believe that Amer. Litho. printed the T206s and then changed their presses to print all the other cards? That doesn't seem practical.

I think the T206 set has been mythologized by collectors. It needs to be looked at in the totality of Amer. Litho's. business. It was just another set, albeit a very large one, printed in the same manner as all of their other sets.

[tedzan]

Of course there are many other T-card sets that were produced in parallel with the T206's. I don't think that anyone is saying that
all this stuff was produced in serial form.

There were multiple projects done by multiple artists and product designers, and multiple printers using multiple lithographic presses.
And, each designer had a different approach to formatting their project.

The bigger picture is that ALC produced some magificent lithography 100 years ago....of which, these little T-cards that we cherish
so much represent just a small part of it.

TED Z

[cfc1909]

post #58 Brian is right Brown Cubs and Evers blue sky not the Chicago version

[mkdltn]

Corrected.