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Old 09-12-2019, 11:24 AM
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Default Deacon White Old Judge card and other

Hey everyone,

I was recommended to come and post to Net45 from Blowout forums today. Essentially my friend found his great grandfathers binder of old baseball and football cards. Old judges and a few gypsy queens and mayo cutplug football cards

Im helping them navigate the waters to find the best route to selling. They are currently glued to the paper and there are hundreds of them.

What auction house would you reccomend going to? Several people have mentioned REA to help with the grading process and getting up to auction. Let me know what you think.

Also, it was pointed out that this appears to be a Deacon White card when he was with Pittsburgh - I havent been able to find any similiar cards online

Currently we know the Pud Galvin, $10K Kelly, and Cap Anson could be worth something. Do you see any rare variations of the other cards?

Thanks!

I'll be posting all of the cards shortly (im new here to need to figure out the best way to get the pics up)
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Old 09-12-2019, 11:31 AM
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Nice pic. Will be interested in seeing more.

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Old 09-12-2019, 11:31 AM
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Wow, what a find. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the pictures.
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Old 09-12-2019, 11:35 AM
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Nice pic. Will be interested in seeing more.

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Theres a TON of the non sport cards in there as well. Dogs, politicians, women, you name it
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Old 09-12-2019, 11:37 AM
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1) Is this the best forum in Net45 to be posting this?

2) How do you post the pictures? Everytime I try from my laptop the pics come in sideways

Sorry im a newb and trying to get this right
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Old 09-12-2019, 12:00 PM
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I would whole-heartedly recommend REA and this is coming from an auction owner. They have the time, resources, and buyers to get the best price for these even if they're left on the pages.

Good luck and don't hesitate to hit me up with any specific questions you might have about the auction process.
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Old 09-12-2019, 12:02 PM
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I would say this is the right forum here. I was one of a few who suggested you cross-post from Blowout (and stopped over here to see what some of the experts here are saying). Unfortunately I can't help you with the photo images as I've never uploaded any, but you did get many of them up on blowout so you might be able to link that that site (I think Leon allows cross-posts like that.).
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Old 09-12-2019, 12:11 PM
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Heres the link: https://imgur.com/gallery/ZUFGXOz

Let me know what you guys find - if there are any rare cards, variations etc

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Old 09-12-2019, 12:26 PM
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Nice find. The most valuable cards that I noticed appear to be the Deacon White and the Kelly Gypsy Queen. The condition is rough (and could be worse after scrapbook removal) but those cards would do well regardless. There may be some hidden gems in the unposted cards. As one of the authors of the Old Judge book, I would be happy to help you identify any rarities and suggest an auction house to handle them should you decide to sell. My email is oldjudge@gmail.com.

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Old 09-12-2019, 12:29 PM
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Nice find. The most valuable cards that I noticed appear to be the Deacon White and the Kelly Gypsy Queen. The condition is rough (and could be worse after scrapbook removal) but those cards would do well regardless. There may be some hidden gems in the unposted cards. As one of the authors of the Old Judge book, I would be happy to help you identify any rarities and suggest an auction house to handle them should you decide to sell. My email is oldjudge@gmail.com.

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Thanks Jay- have you seen this Deacon White before? I couldn't find any other images of it online

I'll make sure to pass your info along to my buddy
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If you are on a computer, click the "Post Reply" at the bottom of the thread and you will come up in another window that you can type text into. At the top center of that box, is a symbol that looks like a paper clip. Click on that and it will open another box that says "Manage Attachments". In that box you can pick "Choose File". When you click that it will let you pick a file off of your computer to upload. You can chose a file and then click "upload". After a few seconds it will tell you if it successfully uploaded. Then you can chose another file if you have multiple pictures to upload. Hope this helps.
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If you are on a computer, click the "Post Reply" at the bottom of the thread and you will come up in another window that you can type text into. At the top center of that box, is a symbol that looks like a paper clip. Click on that and it will open another box that says "Manage Attachments". In that box you can pick "Choose File". When you click that it will let you pick a file off of your computer to upload. You can chose a file and then click "upload". After a few seconds it will tell you if it successfully uploaded. Then you can chose another file if you have multiple pictures to upload. Hope this helps.
Thanks David - i had done that before, but all of the images are too big and being posted sideways. I posted an imgur link that has all of the pics in one gallery
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Old 09-12-2019, 12:45 PM
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Yes, it is pose 496-6. The pose comes with both an 1888 Detroit card and an 1889 Pittsburgh card, the latter of which is the more common (the one you have). That said, all Deacon White cards are scarce and, since his election to the HOF, in high demand.
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Thanks David - i had done that before, but all of the images are too big and being posted sideways. I posted an imgur link that has all of the pics in one gallery
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I just saved it as a jpg, opened it in paint and rotated it. It took about 1 minute. Computers are best for working on the forum. Since that is what I use that is all I care about (just kidding). If I can ever help shoot me a pm. But you are in good hands.
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Old 09-12-2019, 01:43 PM
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Wow that is some collection.
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Despite the clarity and the blob of ink, I see a nice 1889 Clark Griffith as well, which is his "rookie" issue. That might fetch you $750 or so.

I would tend to agree with other posters on here to consign to Robert Edward Auctions or one of the handful of "honest" auction houses. I know Jay has removed other Old Judges from scrapbooks, so he might be best to discuss the removal process (if you go down that route). I personally think that breaking up the collection would be best (from a monetary standpoint). I'm not sure if REA would do that service for you (scrapbook removal, that is), but you could always ask.
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Wow epic find! Thanks for sharing. Cool to see such a large collection of these cards that were “lost” to time. Really love seeing all of these old cards
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Old 09-12-2019, 03:23 PM
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Wow epic find! Thanks for sharing. Cool to see such a large collection of these cards that were “lost” to time. Really love seeing all of these old cards
It really is - these were sitting in an attic in South Boston completly forgotten about
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:57 PM
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I noticed an N172 Ed Delahanty, along with Billy Sunday and Harry Stovey, as well as an N300 Cap Anson.


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Old 09-12-2019, 08:09 PM
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Also a Mickey Welch, another HOFer.
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Old 09-12-2019, 08:34 PM
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Here's a list of the better cards I saw:

N172
Cap Anson, 11-1
RL Caruthers, 71-2 (two different)
Ed Delahanty, 123-5
Clark Griffith, 201-1
Ned Hanlon, 212-3
Tommy McCarthy, 301-9
Tony Mullane, 331-5
James Mutrie, 336-3
Hoss Radbourn, 377-3
Amos Rusie, 395-1
Harry Stovey, 440-1
Billy Sunday, 446-5
Mickey Welch, 486-2
Deacon White, 496-6

Gypsy Queen
Pud Galvin
Mike Kelly

N300
Cap Anson

Mayo
John L. Sullivan (boxer)


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Include the Mayo foot ball of Hinckey and Poe as well.

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What a beautiful collection. Apparently original but likely placed in scrapbook later in life after the cards were well loved. Looks like most of the Old Judge cards were purchased in 1889 ("Fc" style ad - "Cigarette Factory") yet the smoker/original collector must have sampled a couple Gypsy Queens in late 1887.

From the pic, and the cards listed elsewhere in this thread, I'd agree Deacon White may be the best card. Would love to see more pics or list of names. 1889 cards are generally among the more common but there are some true rarities such as the California League cards.

Thank you for posting and let us know how these cards might find their way into the hobby.
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Old 09-14-2019, 09:20 AM
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I just found the link to more of the images, missed that first time through. There were a couple 1887 OJs and a couple 1888s but otherwise almost all 1889. I didn't note any California League or great rarities but nice cards none-the-less.
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