PWCC PSA2 T3 Cobb

[Peter_Spaeth]

And what about the person who buys it and then resells it without that disclosure? IMO this is BS. You should take it down. You can't need the money that badly.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The title has not changed. The amendment won't even be seen unless someone scrolls all the way to the very bottom after the pages of PWCC boilerplate. This is BS. I thought you had more integrity than this.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The title has not changed. The amendment won't even be seen unless someone scrolls all the way to the very bottom after the pages of PWCC boilerplate. This is BS. I thought you had more integrity than this.

there you go thinking again. I knew he didn't have any integrity after singing his friend Brenty Mastro's praises to anyone who would listen for weeks. This is just the kind of guy that he is, that they both are. SCAMMERS

Jesse and Brenty sitting in a tree, K I S S I N G

[bensie]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And what about the person who buys it and then resells it without that disclosure? IMO this is BS. You should take it down. You can't need the money that badly.

It's easy to spend someone else's money. Why don't you buy the card and have it reholdered?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bensie

It's easy to spend someone else's money. Why don't you buy the card and have it reholdered?

Not my card that is being sold fraudulently, bro.

[bensie]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not my card that is being sold fraudulently, bro.

Like I said, talk is cheap. Would love to see what you would actually do if it were your gravy on the line.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bensie

Like I said, talk is cheap. Would love to see what you would actually do if it were your gravy on the line.

I would without hesitation take the card down.

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by bensie

Like I said, talk is cheap. Would love to see what you would actually do if it were your gravy on the line.

I for one wouldn't be an a**hole and try to pass the buck to another [possibly] unsuspecting collector... you know the "right thing" to do.

Many here have cards worth far more than an altered T3 Cobb and if they were proven to be altered, stolen or otherwise messed with the vast majority here would do the "right thing." That should be par for the course.

Why would anyone here have to correct someone else's mistake? It is on them not us or some keyboard warrior (ie you).

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by bensie

It's easy to spend someone else's money. Why don't you buy the card and have it reholdered?

point is that there is a way to recoup his $$$$$ it will just take a little more effort but it is the right thing to do.

[rhettyeakley]

Gotta admit that is a pretty weak way to handle this Jesse!

No mention it used to be in an Authentic holder previously? You really don't feel like that might be a important piece of information? I'm actually appalled that you feel like this is okay in any way shape or form, it also speaks volumes about Brent and his decision (despite everything that has gone on) to continue with this auction, he has learned nothing!

The work on that T3 destroyed that card, the edges are obviously messed with and they really butchered the erasure on the front, just terrible. Do you guys (you & Brent) need more proof that this card was altered?

I think we all know why Jesse was coming to Brent's defense here on the forum, far from an impartial observer.

Overall this is pathetic!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Gotta admit that is a pretty weak way to handle this Jesse!

No mention it used to be in an Authentic holder previously? You really don't feel like that might be a important piece of information? I'm actually appalled that you feel like this is okay in any way shape or form, it also speaks volumes about Brent and his decision (despite everything that has gone on) to continue with this auction, he has learned nothing!

The work on that T3 destroyed that card, the edges are obviously messed with and they really butchered the erasure on the front, just terrible. Do you guys (you & Brent) need more proof that this card was altered?

I think we all know why Jesse was coming to Brent's defense here on the forum, far from an impartial observer.

Overall this is pathetic!

And yet the amendment says the following.
In our opinion the current grade of a 'Good 2' appears completely appropriate.

A disgrace.

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And yet the amendment says the following.
In our opinion the current grade of a 'Good 2' appears completely appropriate.

A disgrace.

This is absolutely double talk. I can not even believe you would post it here.
I just sit back and learn the character of members here, by what they post and what they admit to.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by xplainer

This is absolutely double talk. I can not even believe you would post it here.
I just sit back and learn the character of members here, by what they post and what they admit to.

He is quoting Brent in that instance. Or maybe I'm reading your post wrong.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by bensie

It's easy to spend someone else's money. Why don't you buy the card and have it reholdered?

If only there was a company willing to reimburse him the current market value for a card that was Altered and put in a numbered holder...maybe they even have a Grade Guarantee or something that could be utilized in this fashion?

[rhettyeakley]

I read too fast and didn't see that Brent did mention that it had previously been graded authentic BUT I don't understand how a card can be holdered "AUTHENTIC" due to some alteration & then the said alterations were removed (and done so terribly) so in affect re-altering an already altered card somehow in you minds can be an accurate PSA 2? And only mentioned in small print at the end of the description? What is wrong with you guys?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

I read too fast and didn't see that Brent did mention that it had previously been graded authentic BUT I don't understand how a card can be holdered "AUTHENTIC" due to some alteration & then the said alterations were removed (and done so terribly) so in affect re-altering an already altered card somehow in you minds can be an accurate PSA 2? And only mentioned in small print at the end of the description? What is wrong with you guys?

After page after page of PWCC boilerplate. NOBODY is going to see this. And if they do, they will read how Brent says the grade is appropriate. It's beyond belief that you have signed onto this Jesse. And (rhetorical question) what is wrong with Brent after all that's happened pulling this crap instead of taking down an altered card? He does the wrong thing, it seems, every single time.

[BLongley]

Guess this is why Jesse has remained a fan of PWCC... because they both have the same integrity. I can only hope that this information makes it into the investigation. The recent update shows the following looking into PWCC:

-FBI Criminal Justice Information Systems
-The Supreme Court Of The U.S.
-U.S. House Of Representatives
-eBay Inc

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

After page after page of PWCC boilerplate. NOBODY is going to see this. And if they do, they will read how Brent says the grade is appropriate. It's beyond belief that you have signed onto this Jesse. And (rhetorical question) what is wrong with Brent after all that's happened pulling this crap instead of taking down an altered card? He does the wrong thing, it seems, every single time.

I was sent the statement via email and did not notice the placement. I will discuss further with Brent. My intention was to have prospective bidders made aware of the history that I was unaware of when purchasing this card and let them make their own decision.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I was sent the statement via email and did not notice the placement. I will discuss further with Brent. My intention was to have prospective bidders made aware of the history that I was unaware of when purchasing this card and let them make their own decision.

Did you approve the statement that the grade was appropriate? And what about the next time the card gets sold? The right thing to do here is SO obvious.

[dariushou]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I was sent the statement via email and did not notice the placement. I will discuss further with Brent. My intention was to have prospective bidders made aware of the history that I was unaware of when purchasing this card and let them make their own decision.

The only right thing to do in my opinion is to either pull the auction or put it in the title of the auction. It needs to be clear and conspicuous and anything less such as including it in the description is not going to hold up. It's ridiculous to do anything other than those two options in my opinion. If someone buys that card and claim they didn't see the fine print (the description) then you will lose. FTC Standard and let me tell you something..it applies here. You know the card is altered and so does everyone reading this forum and Brent. Anything less is fraud in my opinion.

[ValKehl]

What about the 17 folks who have already bid on this card plus those folks that haven't yet bid but have created snipes, many/most of whom probably did so before the disclosure was added to the bottom of PWCC's eBay listing? My guess is that most of these folks won't even be going back the reread the listing's details. At least I don't after I have once read a listing's details and decided to bid on it. IMO, at the very least, some words about there being a new disclosure should be added to the title line of the listing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

What about the 17 folks who have already bid on this card plus those folks that haven't yet bid but have created snipes, many/most of whom probably did so before the disclosure was added to the bottom of PWCC's eBay listing? My guess is that most of these folks won't even be going back the reread the listing's details. At least I don't after I have once read the listing's details and decided to bid on it. IMO, at the very least, some words about there being a new disclosure should be added to the title line of the listing.

I don't think titles can be amended after bids have been placed. Could be wrong. Either way, you make an excellent point about snipes, this mess cannot possibly be fixed in the context of a live auction.

[kateighty]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

What about the 17 folks who have already bid on this card plus those folks that haven't yet bid but have created snipes, many/most of whom probably did so before the disclosure was added to the bottom of PWCC's eBay listing? My guess is that most of these folks won't even be going back the reread the listing's details. At least I don't after I have once read a listing's details and decided to bid on it. IMO, at the very least, some words about there being a new disclosure should be added to the title line of the listing.

Very good points!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by swarmee

If only there was a company willing to reimburse him the current market value for a card that was Altered and put in a numbered holder...maybe they even have a Grade Guarantee or something that could be utilized in this fashion?

Ya...the mentality of many in the hobby the last 10 or so years is that you just can't lose money...but it happens! Not every card only goes up in value? You win some...you lose some...no one wins them all unless you're a crook!