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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: Rand
whats the deal with getting the older dealers to correctly grade their cards? i bought 2 different groups of cards from 2 different dealers (raw) and their assessments were 2 grades higher than the cards really were. these guys own psa/sgc graded cards, so they have a benchmark to work with, yet they think their wrinkled crap is all ex ++. any opinion?? |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: robert
Rand, |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: Cy
Rand, |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: Alan
It's not just the oldtime dealers. It's human nature. At any show, a dealer will tell the buyer, "it's not really that bad", "the crease hardly shows", "you can hardly see the wear", etc,...while the buyer will point out more flaws on the card like "this corner is worse than I thought", "this edge is bad", "I didn't see that smudge at first" etc,... |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: Chris East
My favorite is how that statement applies to graded cards as well, although moreso with weekend dealers/new dealers. Almost every graded card "should have been a [insert 1-2 grades higher than grade received]" or is "a high-end" card for the grade and a great candidate for resubmission for a bump. |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: Rob Dewolf
I remember writing a letter to SCD about 8-9 years ago commending Barry Sloate for a description of a card in one of his auctions that read something like "PSA 6 but really should have been a 5 at best." |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
The old-time dealers don't overgrade their cards; it's a vast conspiracy on the part of the grading industry to eliminate the very useful grade of VG-MINT. |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: Rand
That sums it all up!! that statement is so true. i like, this card would be mint if it wasnt for the 2" crease and the paper loss on the back. |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: John Harrell
If you look at old copies of Beckett's (15 years ago), old copies of Tuff Stuff, or other old price guides, you'll see very standard grades for cards. A VG card could have minor creases. A NM card could have one fuzzy corner. An EXMT card would have 4 fuzzy corners. These were accepted standards for many years, until we got slabbed cards. The old dealers simply keep their original standards, which I personally prefer. I don't think they, as a whole, are trying to fool anybody, although I agree that trying to pass a card off as NM, EX, or VG with paper loss or significant damage is not ethical. I occasionally buy slabbed cards to fill holes in my binders, and it amuses me that a slabbed card with sharp corners, nice centering, and a slight wrinkle is graded GD. It would often have graded EX or certainly no worse than VGEX under the old system, which was fine with me as I collect lower grade cards anyway. Granted, I don't don't get to shows or shops anymore, since there are none where I live, and Ebay is basically my only source for my collection. However, I wouldn't consider an card description using the old grading system to be deceptive. |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: Bruce Babcock
What infamous oldtime card dealer claimed, "If I say it's mint and you say it's mint, ain't it mint?" |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: barrysloate
Thanks Cy. I'm an oldtime dealer and I'm even getting old. |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: peter chao
I'll take a wild guess. Mr. Mint himself, Al Rosen. Actually, I don't have a clear idea of his grading standards, I assume that he sells almost all PSA or SGC graded cards. |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
In all seriousness, my little crack wasn't meant to be disrespectful to all long-time dealers as I'm generally not one to make blanket statements like that. With apologies to Barry, Mark Macrae, or any of the other good guys out there. |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: JimCrandell
To maximize their income. |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: B.C.Daniels
us "old time collectors" (defined as people who collected pre 1985***) |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: Alan
Where's Festberg these days ? |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: Jay
Why do dogs lick their balls? |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: barrysloate
Interesting segue, Jay! |
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Why Do Oldtime Dealers over grade their cards?
Posted By: Marty Pritchard
My thought is the best way to judge how someone grades is see if they use the same scale when you sell to them. If they do, they are not trying to over grade their stuff, they are being consistant. If they slam your cards, take them back and discuss their cards and prices. Everyone uses their own judgement with raw cards. Mail order is really the only place that a grade is of value. In person, a price is a percentage of book and is either acceptible or not. With mail order, it is wise to place a small order the first time, or verify the return policy. |
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