Stolen BGS 9.5 1986-87 Fleer #57 Michael Jordan Rookie Card Serial #0009527212

[Leon]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

This is one side of a story. I don’t think the other person’s personal information should be allowed to be posted here.

Hey Jay,
I am with you about 99.9% of the time and personal info is generally not allowed to be posted. I think in this situation, with what I have read, we might be ok on this one time. I don't mind talking about and exposing people doing bad things with names, addresses etc..... That said the original poster should post more often on our board. But getting scammed sucks and I hope he gets his card back. The OP's name needs to be out here too.,.,.,and it is.. Alex Ram.thun

[bobbyw8469]

Seems like with this address involved this would be an easy case.

[samosa4u]

Why would you send an $8,000 USD card to someone you don't even know?

Now I did some research online and it looks like this criminal has been doing this to people for many years. Check out the link below:

http://connexionhck.com/viewtopic.php?f=40&p=109447

On top of page 9, it says the following:

oici quelqu'un qui m'a fait un non-receipt case. Je vous conseille de le bloquer :

rumanovsport

Sent to:
Maurice Lessard

Nad Lessard
497 des Érables
Thetford Mines QC G6G 1H4

Email:
momocard@hotmail.ca

[MULLINS5]

He's currently trying to sell a frosted Gretzky OPC PSA 8 rookie in a FB group.

[ngnichols]

Yeah, doing that level of trade through the mail with someone you don't know is just asking for all sorts of trouble. Not worth the risk, especially with the subs that Jordan has. Holy jeez. That's an exceptional specimen of that card. Not sure why you'd want to trade that thing, but whatever floats your boat. Good luck in nailing this clown.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by ngnichols

Yeah, doing that level of trade through the mail with someone you don't know is just asking for all sorts of trouble. Not worth the risk, especially with the subs that Jordan has. Holy jeez. That's an exceptional specimen of that card. Not sure why you'd want to trade that thing, but whatever floats your boat. Good luck in nailing this clown.

Thieves look for someone with right amount of greed to cloud their judgement.

If it looks to good to be true....

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

He's currently trying to sell a frosted Gretzky OPC PSA 8 rookie in a FB group.

The thief or the OP?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Why would you send an $8,000 USD card to someone you don't even know?

Now I did some research online and it looks like this criminal has been doing this to people for many years. Check out the link below:

http://connexionhck.com/viewtopic.php?f=40&p=109447

On top of page 9, it says the following:

oici quelqu'un qui m'a fait un non-receipt case. Je vous conseille de le bloquer :

rumanovsport

Sent to:
Maurice Lessard

Nad Lessard
497 des Érables
Thetford Mines QC G6G 1H4

Email:
momocard@hotmail.ca

Maybe because the Gretzky is worth 30k??? Someone offering a much more expensive should be a red flag.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by rats60

Maybe because the Gretzky is worth 30k??? Someone offering a much more expensive should be a red flag.

Yeah but it was from Canada, there are a lot more high grade Gretzkys up there, depressing the local market...

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Yeah but it was from Canada, there are a lot more high grade Gretzkys up there, depressing the local market...

Why wouldn't they give it to PWCC or REA to sell then?

[D. Bergin]

Doesn't matter the reasons here. Somebody got scammed, due diligence or not. Hope they nail this guy. Real shitty thing to to.

Hopefully all the Grading companies know this guys name to. Probably a pretty good chance the guy's not stupid enough to try and resell in the same holder.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by rats60

Why wouldn't they give it to PWCC or REA to sell then?

It was a joke.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by rats60

Maybe because the Gretzky is worth 30k??? Someone offering a much more expensive should be a red flag.

Agree with that completely. No one deserves to get ripped off, and I hope the OP gets made whole with this transaction. But someone offering to trade a $25-30K card for a $9K card straight up is pretty sketchy.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Agree with that completely. No one deserves to get ripped off, and I hope the OP gets made whole with this transaction. But someone offering to trade a $25-30K card for a $9K card straight up is pretty sketchy.

Yea I agree. In a case like this it would be easy to suggest using an escrow company or a mutually agreed upon middleman. If it's a scam you will quickly see the other party make up a ridiculous excuse, or stop responding all together. Even if the trade wasn't so obviously one sided it's always smart to take precautions.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Agree with that completely. No one deserves to get ripped off, and I hope the OP gets made whole with this transaction. But someone offering to trade a $25-30K card for a $9K card straight up is pretty sketchy.

right it makes the victim less sympathetic. I guess if you do that 3 times and one time its legit you make your money back though for for to be a 'legit' deal you would probably be taking advantage of someone to do the 9k to get a 30k deal..

The crook though still deserves to be punished..

All of these ponzi schemes involve victims who thought they would make 15% on their money risk free.....they are also less sympathetic but the ponzi schemer needs to be punished.

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[maximus35]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hey Jay,
I am with you about 99.9% of the time and personal info is generally not allowed to be posted. I think in this situation, with what I have read, we might be ok on this one time. I don't mind talking about and exposing people doing bad things with names, addresses etc..... That said the original poster should post more often on our board. But getting scammed sucks and I hope he gets his card back. The OP's name needs to be out here too.,.,.,and it is.. Alex Ram.thun

I’m with Leon on this one. Normally I don’t think it’s cool to post someone’s personal info without fully hearing both sides of the story. In this case I think the OP did the right thing. Call this slapd*ck out with all his personal info. Seems like he’s been ripping people off for so long it’s time somebody put a stop to it. Stories like this really upset me. We all work hard for our $ and have such a passion for the cards we own. Nobody wants a con artist to screw ya over.
To the OP, I hope you catch this guy. Did u email PSA/SGC/BGS and warn them just to cover all your basis? I wouldn’t be surprised if he cracked the card out and resubmitted it to get a new holder with new seriel #. Then your card will be impossible to locate. I put my initials with a permanent marker on the back of all my cards before submitting them. That way if anything happens I knw if it’s my card or not. FYI to all the guys that are about to freak out bout me initially my cards it was only a joke!

[Roulette44]

Hope the find this scum and bury him underneath the jail!

[Jason]

The story in the link is completely insane lol. Stake out the place? Come back after dark? I know he is a scamming POS but just knock on the guys door

[samosa4u]

Reading stuff like this just goes to show you what a joke the Canadian criminal justice system is. If I were to get caught stealing some toothpaste in a shopping mall, the mall security would take me upstairs and hold me for the police. The police would then show up and take me away immediately. At the station, I would be questioned, fingerprinted and probably not be allowed to go home. I would also have to appear before a judge.

Now here is a POS stealing thousands and thousands of dollars worth of sports cards, which he keeps in his own garage, and yet he doesn't have to worry about a damn thing. The Christmas decorations are up and he's just sitting in his home plotting his next move - what the hell is this?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Reading stuff like this just goes to show you what a joke the Canadian criminal justice system is. If I were to get caught stealing some toothpaste in a shopping mall, the mall security would take me upstairs and hold me for the police. The police would then show up and take me away immediately. At the station, I would be questioned, fingerprinted and probably not be allowed to go home. I would also have to appear before a judge.

Now here is a POS stealing thousands and thousands of dollars worth of sports cards, which he keeps in his own garage, and yet he doesn't have to worry about a damn thing. The Christmas decorations are up and he's just sitting in his home plotting his next move - what the hell is this?

The guy didn't get caught stealing. Someone told the police he stole a card. There is a big difference. I'm not sure how different the result would be here. How do you prove you didn't receive the correct card? Maybe if you video taped receiving the package and opening it there would be evidence. Hopefully the others who have been scammed reported this guy as well and an investigation can stop him.

[Jim F]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Reading stuff like this just goes to show you what a joke the Canadian criminal justice system is. If I were to get caught stealing some toothpaste in a shopping mall, the mall security would take me upstairs and hold me for the police. The police would then show up and take me away immediately. At the station, I would be questioned, fingerprinted and probably not be allowed to go home. I would also have to appear before a judge.

Now here is a POS stealing thousands and thousands of dollars worth of sports cards, which he keeps in his own garage, and yet he doesn't have to worry about a damn thing. The Christmas decorations are up and he's just sitting in his home plotting his next move - what the hell is this?

This whole post is pretty much nonsense

[packs]

No judge is going to issue someone be held in jail for petty theft unless that person has a warrant. In most cases you wouldn't even go to the police station. You'd be handed an appearance ticket and be on your way.