Lessons learned

[Enfuego]

So I am stepping forward and expressing my deepest apologies to the members of Net54, the Admin and to Leon for actions I am not proud of. I will say that after being "Exiled" for a little bit, I realized that my actions were not something I was proud of and embarrassed by. I learned to put aside my ego and pride and welcome advice, opinions, etc from individuals that surpass my level of knowledge in the hobby. I have turned over a new leaf and have decided to be a more productive member of the forum and hopefully prevent those that were in the same boat I was in from making the same mistake I made...I hope all is forgiven and I can be welcomed back.

Thank you for the second chance Leon!


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[Republicaninmass]

NEGATIVE

PERMANT BAN

I had to fight you every step of the way for your FAKE FAKE card, and further more you would not respond to emails or phone calls.

PayPal refunded and I have the fake card

[Republicaninmass]

And who's answering your phone now? It rang off the hook for weeks when You stole my money. Are you seriously having your daughter answer and say you got a new phone?

CL-ASS ACT

[Republicaninmass]

You are so transparent it's pathetic. Even still, you made no attempt to contact me after you STOLE from me. Now it is a death on the family excuse? My father died during the largest card deal of my life to that point. YES I told the buyer I would just assume flush their cards down the toilet, but I made good on the deal. This is called owning up to your responsibilities as a person.

Take a good long look in the full length mirror in your bedroom amd ask yourself:

Was it worse to "out you" to your daughter, or for you to have her answer the phone and cover for you? I do feel sorry for her, having yourself as a role model.

[Enfuego]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

You are so transparent it's pathetic. Even still, you made no attempt to contact me after you STOLE from me. Now it is a death on the family excuse? My father died during the largest card deal of my life to that point. YES I told the buyer I would just assume flush their cards down the toilet, but I made good on the deal. This is called owning up to your responsibilities as a person.



Take a good long look in the full length mirror in your bedroom amd ask yourself:



Was it worse to "out you" to your daughter, or for you to have her answer the phone and cover for you? I do feel sorry for her, having yourself as a role model.

Say what you want about me, keep my daughter out of your mouth.


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[Republicaninmass]

Dorothy, you're not in Kansas anymore


Just be glad I minded my tongue as I was ready to give YOU an earful. You can't even fight your own battles. You pit yiur daughter in harm's way. You are a pathetic excuse for a parent. Was the whole military BS a lie as well?

[Enfuego]

You know what? Say what you want about me...bash me whatever you want! YES I screwed up! YES I left you flapping...YES I fully expect to hear an earful, whatever...there is no fight to battle here, especially with you, it's an unfair and childish thing to do, but AGAIN, you poking and prodding is fine, poke away, I'm not fragile BUT keep in mind sir, your kicking a dead horse and i own up to my error. And I will ask one last time, leave my daughter out your mouth please.


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[Leon]

Originally Posted by Enfuego

You know what? Say what you want about me...bash me whatever you want! YES I screwed up! YES I left you flapping...YES I fully expect to hear an earful, whatever...there is no fight to battle here, especially with you, it's an unfair and childish thing to do, but AGAIN, you poking and prodding is fine, poke away, I'm not fragile BUT keep in mind sir, your kicking a dead horse and i own up to my error. And I will ask one last time, leave my daughter out your mouth please.


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There is a 0 tolerance policy on this board concerning talking poorly of one's family. In this instance it is sort of understandable as she was brought into it, apparently.

That all said, no mas on any talk of any family members from here on out. I don't like it on the board AND it's against the rules. And this thread will be moved to the front page....Carry on....

[rdwyer]

If Enfuego would've refunded himself, I would then accept the apology. To leave someone hanging like you did, you're lucky Leon let you back. My two cents.

[pokerplyr80]

Wait so this guy sold a fake card on this board, refused to refund the buyer, and is now allowed back on the site? What am I missing?

[JollyElm]

Yeah, can someone post a link so we can catch up?

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by Enfuego

So I am stepping forward and expressing my deepest apologies to the members of Net54, the Admin and to Leon for actions I am not proud of.

Not very clear what he is apologizing for, and he doesn't seem to be sorry, at least not publicly, to the person he tried to cheat.

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[Enfuego]

Originally Posted by slipk1068

Not very clear what he is apologizing for, and he doesn't seem to be sorry, at least not publicly, to the person he tried to cheat.



.

You know it's individuals like you that are beyond hilarious....i come forth and apologize (although I made no mention of a specific person) and yet people like you assume you have the green light to pass judgement...as I mentioned before, you wanna bash me? Go right ahead I am not fragile, but continuous kicking of this horse is getting tired...


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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Enfuego

You know it's individuals like you that are beyond hilarious....i come forth and apologize (although I made no mention of a specific person) and yet people like you assume you have the green light to pass judgement...as I mentioned before, you wanna bash me? Go right ahead I am not fragile, but continuous kicking of this horse is getting tired...


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Why don't you tell the whole story of what happened? At least then everyone could have an informed opinion.

[Enfuego]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Why don't you tell the whole story of what happened? At least then everyone could have an informed opinion.

It really doesn't matter about what you or anyone else thinks...I made a Rookie error, I was naive and it caused problems. After that problem resolved (for the other individual) I was removed from here for a bit, after a few weeks, I put my pride in my back pocket and came forth and apologized to Leon in a lengthy email. He then suggested I do the same on Net54 and I did....end of story...

Not trying to sound like an Ass, but that's just my perspective


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[Bliggity]

Originally Posted by Enfuego

It really doesn't matter about what you or anyone else thinks...I made a Rookie error, I was naive and it caused problems. After that problem resolved (for the other individual) I was removed from here for a bit, after a few weeks, I put my pride in my back pocket and came forth and apologized to Leon in a lengthy email. He then suggested I do the same on Net54 and I did....end of story...

Not trying to sound like an Ass, but that's just my perspective


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How is it a "rookie" error when you were obviously involved with cards three years ago when you were told they were fake? Rookie status is long gone on this one, sorry.

[Gradedcardman]

But Larry Harris gets banished ??

[7nohitter]

Originally Posted by Enfuego

So I am stepping forward and expressing my deepest apologies to the members of Net54, the Admin and to Leon for actions I am not proud of. I will say that after being "Exiled" for a little bit, I realized that my actions were not something I was proud of and embarrassed by. I learned to put aside my ego and pride and welcome advice, opinions, etc from individuals that surpass my level of knowledge in the hobby. I have turned over a new leaf and have decided to be a more productive member of the forum and hopefully prevent those that were in the same boat I was in from making the same mistake I made...I hope all is forgiven and I can be welcomed back.

Thank you for the second chance Leon!


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This is a joke, it has to be. Anthony, my 9 year old offers more sincere apologies for transgressions as trivial as spilling milk.

This is Leon's board, so his rules.....but Anthony is not a respected (current) member.

An.dre.w Mil.l.er

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by 7nohitter

This is a joke, it has to be. Anthony, my 9 year old offers more sincere apologies for transgressions as trivial as spilling milk.

This is Leon's board, so his rules.....but Anthony is not a respected (current) member.

An.dre.w Mil.l.er

I agree. Leon, I realize you can do whatever you want with your site, but I feel you owe us some kind of an explanation on this one. Knowingly defrauding another board member, then cutting off communication and refusing to refund seems like one of the worst offenses one could commit on this board. Not to mention this joke of an apology and the attitude that proves he isn't sorry at all.

If enfuego's actions don't warrant a permanent ban, what must one to to get banned?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I agree. Leon, I realize you can do whatever you want with your site, but I feel you owe us some kind of an explanation on this one. Knowingly defrauding another board member, then cutting off communication and refusing to refund seems like one of the worst offenses one could commit on this board. Not to mention this joke of an apology and the attitude that proves he isn't sorry at all.

If enfuego's actions don't warrant a permanent ban, what must one to to get banned?

I owe you this much. 0

He got a second chance as I don't know of other issues he has had. He isn't on the BST any longer and can only discuss cards here. If he has other issues then that is something different. Each situation on the board is different. The people who have been permanently banned had way, way more than one second chance.

[vintagetoppsguy]

I have no problem with second chances. If you disagree with me, that's fine. Opinions differ. But rather than b!tch and moan about it, just don't do business with him. Block him or whatever.

I've said this before (a few times, I think) and here it goes again. If this board did background checks and excluded the ones who have misdemeanor or felony convictions, this board would be pretty quite. I said this the other day too and here it goes again. I find it funny that the ones who complain about others wrong doings are often the ones with their own past of wrong doings.

[pherbener]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I have no problem with second chances. If you disagree with me, that's fine. Opinions differ. But rather than b!tch and moan about it, just don't do business with him. Block him or whatever.

I've said this before (a few times, I think) and here it goes again. If this board did background checks and excluded the ones who have misdemeanor or felony convictions, this board would be pretty quite. I said this the other day too and here it goes again. I find it funny that the ones who complain about others wrong doings are often the ones with their own past of wrong doings.

Absolutely agree! Ban the guy from the BST and I'm fine with it. If the guy annoys me any more than he has already I'll just block him. DONE!