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Old 12-01-2019, 10:14 PM
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They are still worth money just not in the holders they are in. And at a fraction of the price.
Whether they are re-holdered as an "A" or labeled as trimmed/doctored, whatever, I guarantee they will be back on the market in new holders or sold as raw over and over again if the TPG's happen to be smarter the second time around.
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Old 12-01-2019, 11:08 PM
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Whether they are re-holdered as an "A" or labeled as trimmed/doctored, whatever, I guarantee they will be back on the market in new holders or sold as raw over and over again if the TPG's happen to be smarter the second time around.
That’s why a hole punch is a better solution than re-holdering these cards as “A”. It’s infinitely more difficult to restore and conceal a hole punch than it is to crack open a slab (which is exactly what would happen in “wave two”)

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Old 12-02-2019, 08:02 AM
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That’s why a hole punch is a better solution than re-holdering these cards as “A”. It’s infinitely more difficult to restore and conceal a hole punch than it is to crack open a slab (which is exactly what would happen in “wave two”)
Plus can put the hole punch all the way to the edge and at same location on most cards so first thing graders can do is check that location....

now the 'fix' can be almost anywhere as it stands.........
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Old 12-02-2019, 09:44 AM
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At this point so many things are bad all the way around, all the outed altered cards, most of the sales since 2014 and up....I can’t explain them? which ones were fake? Which ones were real? All of this Market Manipulation Distorts what the real true value of the card is in said grade whether that grade is real or a bad card. Maybe we will come back to reality pre 2014 prices on graded cards who knows I have no idea, people don’t seem to be stopping their buying habits but then again are these real sales or vaulted relisted cards idk ??
They can put holes in these altered cards or destroy them when the government is done with it’s evidence . Nothing matters anymore it’s all smoke and mirrors.
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Old 12-02-2019, 12:12 PM
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Since this thread involves PWCC --just thought I'd post --if you have poor condition butterfinger commons, please do NOT sell through PWCC! There is a lot of 12 right now I'm not bidding on. I bought the only two poor condition lots on ebay in the last couple months (based on searching for recent sales a few weeks ago), so I've gotta be one of the biggest buyers of really crappy butterfinger commons! Only saw this PWCC lot cause I often search ebay for Butterfinger lots. I am never bidding on anything on PWCC site ever again so I can't bid on this lot darn it.

Unfortunately, PWCC losing my business will have zero effect on their bottom line as I am not even a small fish, not even a minnow . . .I have bid on quite a few ungraded vintage lots the last couple years, but I only ever won one or two small lots.
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Old 12-02-2019, 12:24 PM
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In another thread there is a post about the over/under on PSA lasting 8 years.

Now that more people know about PWCC how about the over/under on PWCC lasting 2 years?

Personally with their lawyer who IMHO goated them into hiring him I will take the over.

We could all do a group submission of our higher end cards to PSA and then consign them to PWCC, a win win for everyone.
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Old 12-02-2019, 12:57 PM
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In another thread there is a post about the over/under on PSA lasting 8 years.

Now that more people know about PWCC how about the over/under on PWCC lasting 2 years?

Personally with their lawyer who IMHO goated them into hiring him I will take the over.

We could all do a group submission of our higher end cards to PSA and then consign them to PWCC, a win win for everyone.
Over I’m thinking we see them, PWCC, going civilly to Court Against PSA for millions in damages.

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Old 12-02-2019, 02:02 PM
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mmmm I don't see that happening as then PWCC is open to all sorts of extra scrutiny. Claiming damages against a company you set out to deceive is not a winning proposition in my book. If anything the lawsuit would make more sense the other way around, but again PSA would never do that due to the level of scrutiny it would open them up to.
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Old 12-02-2019, 02:34 PM
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Since this thread involves PWCC --just thought I'd post --if you have poor condition butterfinger commons, please do NOT sell through PWCC! There is a lot of 12 right now I'm not bidding on. I bought the only two poor condition lots on ebay in the last couple months (based on searching for recent sales a few weeks ago), so I've gotta be one of the biggest buyers of really crappy butterfinger commons! Only saw this PWCC lot cause I often search ebay for Butterfinger lots. I am never bidding on anything on PWCC site ever again so I can't bid on this lot darn it.

Unfortunately, PWCC losing my business will have zero effect on their bottom line as I am not even a small fish, not even a minnow . . .I have bid on quite a few ungraded vintage lots the last couple years, but I only ever won one or two small lots.
You and I are plankton to PWCC

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Old 12-02-2019, 06:08 PM
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Over I’m thinking we see them, PWCC, going civilly to Court Against PSA for millions in damages.
You jest my friend. PWCC as the damaged party? LOLOLOL. Oh that's rich, the man who knowingly did years and tons of business with Gary and Lord knows how many superstar card doctors, as plaintiff? Not to mention all the cards he appears to have uh um conserved himself.

No, Brent's playing defense. If he survives without doing time and with his company intact -- and I do think that is likely to be honest -- he's going home, he's not going on offense.
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Old 12-02-2019, 07:51 PM
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You jest my friend. PWCC as the damaged party? LOLOLOL. Oh that's rich, the man who knowingly did years and tons of business with Gary and Lord knows how many superstar card doctors, as plaintiff? Not to mention all the cards he appears to have uh um conserved himself.

No, Brent's playing defense. If he survives without doing time and with his company intact -- and I do think that is likely to be honest -- he's going home, he's not going on offense.
I know it sounds bizarre. When you say you have seen it all you haven’t seen it all. I wouldn’t doubt it one bit.
Who is paying for all the bought back cards by his company ? I don’t see him just eating that bill.

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Old 12-02-2019, 07:53 PM
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I know it sounds bizarre. When you say you have seen it all you haven’t seen it all. I wouldn’t doubt it one bit.
Who is paying for all the bought back cards by his company ? I don’t see him just eating that bill.
Well one good thing would come of it, it would stop Jake from posting about no lawsuits.
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Old 12-02-2019, 07:55 PM
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Well one good thing would come of it, it would stop Jake from posting about no lawsuits.
Yes sir ! There is a plus to my wild thinking !!
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Old 12-03-2019, 09:09 AM
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Well one good thing would come of it, it would stop Jake from posting about no lawsuits.
thats true.....but it will also stop everyone from saying there will be all these lawsuits and all these theories about all the things that are going to happen......cause right now its zero
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Old 12-03-2019, 09:24 AM
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thats true.....but it will also stop everyone from saying there will be all these lawsuits and all these theories about all the things that are going to happen......cause right now its zero
Perhaps you should contact Brian and tell him his investigation is a "zero."
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Old 12-03-2019, 09:29 AM
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Perhaps you should contact Brian and tell him his investigation is a "zero."
Nothing against Jake but that comment doesn't even rise to Stupid. It is at the Ignorance level. I can absolutely promise things are being done. I have no firsthand knowledge since the National but there will be consequences for quite a few people. And I think restitution is a big thing as well as some other form of punishment to dissuade the criminals in the future. I would never bet against the FBI. They rock. It won't be fast but it will be thorough.
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Old 12-03-2019, 11:28 AM
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Nothing against Jake but that comment doesn't even rise to Stupid. It is at the Ignorance level. I can absolutely promise things are being done. I have no firsthand knowledge since the National but there will be consequences for quite a few people. And I think restitution is a big thing as well as some other form of punishment to dissuade the criminals in the future. I would never bet against the FBI. They rock. It won't be fast but it will be thorough.
I agree with Leon 100%. I am on the board of a local non profit that had $350k embezzled by an outside local bookkeeping company. It was for taxes they did not submit. Took the FBI 3 years to build the case. We were frustrated by how long it took and the Agent in Charge told us the move slow and with purpose to cover everything. When they finally hit this guy his head almost exploded and that was only $350k. I can only imagine what this will be like when it comes down.
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Nothing against Jake but that comment doesn't even rise to Stupid. It is at the Ignorance level. I can absolutely promise things are being done. I have no firsthand knowledge since the National but there will be consequences for quite a few people. And I think restitution is a big thing as well as some other form of punishment to dissuade the criminals in the future. I would never bet against the FBI. They rock. It won't be fast but it will be thorough.
right, i didnt mean zero isnt being done, i meant we havent heard anything happen in terms of lawsuits arrests etc. All behind the scenes. Nothing on the outsid as this year is closing out. I never have denied there hasnt been law enforcement involvement so obviously didnt mean zero for everything. Its not like i havent been saying there hasnt been any civil lawsuits etc.....others are talking about all of these lawsuits and claims for damages that will happen but thus far zero....... ....thats where the zero comment comes from .

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right, i didnt mean zero isnt being done, i meant we havent heard anything happen in terms of lawsuits arrests etc. All behind the scenes. Nothing on the outside. I never have denied there hasnt been law enforcement involvement so obviously didnt mean zero for everything. Its not like i havent been saying there hasnt been any civil lawsuits etc.....others are talking about all of these lawsuits and claims for damages that will happen but thus far zero......thats where the zero comment comes from .
can we please pull the plug on this broken record????
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can we please pull the plug on this broken record????
Theres a lot of broken records on this thread..
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Theres a lot of broken records on this thread..
That is a fact and I would way rather listen to Jake than many of the others.
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If you don't play nice with your "reimbursement", Orlando & Huigens will send thugs out to break your legs.
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Theres a lot of broken records on this thread..
Has it broken the record for broken records though?
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If you don't play nice with your "reimbursement", Orlando & Huigens will send thugs out to break your legs.
I am glad I have maybe bought one or two cards from PWCC several years ago and own less than five low value PSA slabs. I am sensitive and delicate in real life and don't know any sketchy people.
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I was going to say something but nevermind.

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