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Old 11-18-2019, 07:57 PM
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No need to start with Checklists, or basic facts regarding the 1949 BOWMAN set. I am sure most of you are well versed on these fundamentals.

I will post interesting bits of information which I have gleaned from my experiences collecting these cards and uncut sheets since I was age 11.
Stay tuned for a lot of pictures, plus my research into this set. And, feel free to Show-N-Tell of your 1949 BOWMAN cards (and/or experiences).


Circa June 1949, candy store windows in the Philadelphia area were displaying these 1949 BOWMAN adv. banners promoting their fourth-coming series of BB cards.





Complete 4th series uncut 36-card sheet [this series (cards #109 - 144) were issued in the Summer of 1949]



I can tell you that the kids in our neighborhood were really excited when this series of cards were available in the Summer of 1949.
These cards were more colorful than the earlier Bowman's, the players names were printed on their fronts, and on the backs of the
cards were facsimile autographs.







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Great topic, Ted! Will show off my three cards from the set. I'm curious if you know much about the grayish background variants occasionally seen for cards like the Campy RC.

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Looking forward to hearing and seeing more, Ted.

I know the info is most likely out there but while I'm here and it's on my mind, what's the story behind the 1952 Topps Look and See cards?

I assume they were sold in separate packs away from baseball but were they released around the same time?

I can also assume they weren't near as popular as the 52 Topps baseball cards, but did some want them for the Babe Ruth card?

Thanks in advance, Ted.
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The gray variations always looked like missing color printing passes to me.
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Hi Jason
" Great topic, Ted! Will show off my three cards from the set. I'm curious if you know much about the grayish background variants occasionally seen for cards like the Campy RC. "

I have about 60+ "grayish" ( I refer to them as SLATE) cards in one of my 1949 BOWMAN sets. The Hi # Slate cards are extremely difficult to find.
Here is a sample of some of my Slate cards......




The majority of the Slate cards are cards normally with Green, Light Blue, Orange, or Yellow pastel colors. Very rarely you can find a Slate that normally is Red or dark Blue.

In a forthcoming post, I will display my uncut sheet (36-cards) which includes 17 cards that were not printed with their normal background colors (i.e., Slates).



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Here is a 3rd series complete sheet (cards #4, 74 - 108). Note that it includes 17 cards with Slate backgrounds.
These 17 cards normally have Green or Orange backgrounds.







The 1949 BOWMAN cards were issued in the Spring of 1949. Depending what part of the country you were in, the 1st
and 2nd Series cards [#1 - 73 (minus #4)] were available at the start of the BB season.

For instance, if you lived in the South, then only cards [#1 - 3, 73, 5 - 36] were available in the Spring. Followed by
cards #37 - 72 which were available in May or June.

Pictured above are the 3rd Series cards (#4, 74 - 108) which were available Circa June of 1949.

Post #1 in this thread depicts the 4th series of cards (#109 - 144) which were issued in the Summer of 1949.

The tough Hi numbers were issued in Sept. of 1949. The 5th series cards (#145 - 180) are the most difficult to find.

The 6th series cards incl. [#181 - 240 (and the 12 variations)]. Stay tuned for more info on the 5th & 6th series.

This classic set of 252 cards is the first large set of BB cards issued since the 1940 Play Ball set. Furthermore, approx.
40 % of the subjects in the 1949 BOWMAN set are ROOKIE cards.


OK, enough said for now....now show us some of your favorite cards in this set.


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Looking forward to hearing and seeing more, Ted.

I know the info is most likely out there but while I'm here and it's on my mind, what's the story behind the 1952 Topps Look and See cards?

I assume they were sold in separate packs away from baseball but were they released around the same time?

I can also assume they weren't near as popular as the 52 Topps baseball cards, but did some want them for the Babe Ruth card?

Thanks in advance, Ted.

Hi Dale

I'm sorry, but I cannot answer your question regarding the Look-N-See set.

We had "tons" of 1952 TOPPS (regular issue) cards in our neighborhood. But, we never saw any Look-N-See packs. And, this wasn't just limited to our neighborhood,
for we rode our bikes to other areas (miles away) to search for more, or different cards. The only ones available to us kids were BOWMAN's and TOPP's.

Perhaps, some one on this forum will chime in here and tell us about the Look-N-See cards.


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Interesting thread.

Over the years, I have seen a lot of the 1948 Bowman basketball slates and eBay sellers would call them "rare variations" and try to get more money for them. However, I later discovered that these were printers' scrap and were given to kids by Zabel Bros. employees. They were later hand-cut and this is why you aren't going to find any sitting in a slab with a numerical grade. These cards get the AUTH designation only.

Now the 1949 Bowman baseball slates posted by Peter and Ted above don't look hand-cut at all. Hmmm ... interesting.
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Here are two examples from 60+ Slate cards in my collection. One is obviously hand-cut (Salkeld); and, the other is Factory-cut.
A fair number of these color-error cards are indeed Factory-cut.

And that does not surprise me because when I opened up 1949 BOWMAN 5-cent packs, I do remember finding color-error cards.
Not that often; nevertheless, some which were mostly from the 3rd Series issue.






Hi samosa4u

Here is an uncut sheet of Hi # cards (#37 - 72) from the 1948 BOWMAN Basketball set that you alluded to. Typically, Zabel Bros.
employees would take home such mis-printed sheets. Eventually, these 36 cards would be cut up then distributed into the hobby.
Quite a number of these sheets were discovered back in the 1970's.




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Here are two examples from 60+ Slate cards in my collection. One is obviously hand-cut (Salkeld); and, the other is Factory-cut.
A fair number of these color-error cards are indeed Factory-cut.

And that does not surprise me because when I opened up 1949 BOWMAN 5-cent packs, I do remember finding color-error cards.
Not that often; nevertheless, some which were mostly from the 3rd Series issue.
Now this is getting very interesting!

So the slate sheets for the 1948 Bowman basketball series were all rejected, but the following year some of the slate sheets for the 1949 baseball series ended up being factory cut and inserted into packs. I wonder what happened here. It looks like Zabel Bros. just decided to send some of the slate sheets to Bowman and left it up to them. Bowman obviously had no problem with them, otherwise, I don't think they would have ended up being sold to the public.
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Hi Dale

I'm sorry, but I cannot answer your question regarding the Look-N-See set.

We had "tons" of 1952 TOPPS (regular issue) cards in our neighborhood. But, we never saw any Look-N-See packs. And, this wasn't just limited to our neighborhood,
for we rode our bikes to other areas (miles away) to search for more, or different cards. The only ones available to us kids were BOWMAN's and TOPP's.

Perhaps, some one on this forum will chime in here and tell us about the Look-N-See cards.


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Sorry for hijacking your post with 52 Topps card questions, Ted. I wasn't thinking.

Not a lot of info out there, like when they came out or availability, etc, that I could find but did find these 2 links with a bit of info.
https://www.psacard.com/cardfacts/no...ok-n-see/28128
https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...-trading-cards

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Major Rookie cards in 1949 BOWMAN set....starting off with Ashburn, Campy, Lemon, Roberts, Snider, and Wynn. Stay tuned for more Rookie cards will be displayed.

Although some publications identify the 1949 BOWMAN cards of Jackie Robinson, Satchell Paige, and Larry Doby as being their Rookie cards....this is not true.









ROOKIE card.....issued Summer 1947 ………………..…....…….… 1948 ……..…...…..…....….. 1949








ROOKIE card......issued Summer 1949 ……………………………..………....……… Fall 1949
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ROOKIE card......issued Summer 1949 …………………..……………....…… Fall 1949
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Wow, that's some cool stuff there Ted !
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Ted, I remember well a long discussion many moons ago back in the 90's at
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Can't wait to read your findings. I have the Cubs from set but didn't post. However, it seems only one series had facs auto on back. Only 130, 134 and 142 have facs autos. In addition I have both white and gray backs for some of the 1st Series. I also have the Bob Sheffing with name and no name so don't know how many more were printed this way. Unfortunately don't have any "slate" backgrounds so have something else to look for. Thanks.
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the old show in Asbury Park, NJ discussing the '49 Bowman set, one we both collected. So how about a little chat about the beautiful PCL Bowman subset. Best, John

Hey John

Great to hear from you....thanks, you bring back some great memories of the Asbury Park Shows at the Jersey Shore.

OK, you beat me to it, I intend to eventually get into the 1949 BOWMAN Pacific Coast League (PCL) set.....but not yet.

Anyhow, here is a preview for you....some seldom seen PCL cards.....




Stay tuned for more PCL stuff.


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Hi Tony

There are 2 tiers of Rookie cards in the 1949 BOWMAN set.

HOFers…...Ashburn, Campanella, Lemon, Roberts, Snider, Wynn

Other players....Approx. 100 more Rookie cards.
This is still a work in progress, as there are numerous 1947 TIP TOP cards of which I'm cross-checking with the 1949 BOWMAN cards.
I should have a complete Rookie list tomorrow.


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Here are a few from a small group I picked up earlier this year. I wonder if any of the prizes are still around like the rings or the baseball game...
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Hi Rob

I have the Baseball bank. Haven't seen the Ring in many-a-moon.






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Hi Tony

There are 2 tiers of Rookie cards in the 1949 BOWMAN set.

HOFers…...Ashburn, Campanella, Lemon, Roberts, Snider, Wynn

Other players....Approx. 100 more Rookie cards.
This is still a work in progress, as there are numerous 1947 TIP TOP cards of which I'm cross-checking with the 1949 BOWMAN cards.
I should have a complete Rookie list tomorrow.

Checklist of ROOKIE cards in the 1949 BOWMAN set......

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1 Bickford
2 Porterfield
8 Dickson
10 Gray
13 Chesnes
14 Simmons
15 Garver
16 Kozar
17 Torgeson
21 Baumholtz
25 Scheib
28 Kolloway
30 Seminick
31 Kokos
32 Yost
35 Raschi
39 Goodman
43 Mitchell
44 Philley
45 Westlake

46 Roberts...……….….. *
57 Bearden
62 Hatton
67 Dark
74 McBride
76 Nicholson
78 Zoldak
79 Northey
81 Stallcup
83 Scheffing
84 Campanella…….….. *
87 Gumpert
88 Salkeld
90 Coan
92 W. Jones
94 Vernon
95 Pollett
102 Spence
103 Tipton
104 Stanky

105 B. Kennedy
108 Heintzelman
109 Fitzgerald
110 Wynn....…………... *
113 Lamano
118 Mele
121 Christman
123 Blatnick
124 Murtaugh
127 Majeski
130 Walker
134 Borowy
135 Rojek
139 Arft
140 Scarborough
141 Lupien
143 Dillinger
144 Haefner

High #s

145 Donnelly
146 M. McCormick
147 Singleton
150 Clark
152 Maddern
155 Guerra
157 Masterson
159 Moulder
160 Blackburn
161 Thompson
164 Wertz
167 Martin
168 Lade
171 Fowler
172 Pellagrini
177 Lopata
178 T. Brown
181 Niarhos
182 Peck
183 Stringer

187 Marchildon
188 Drews
189 Wooten
190 Hearn
191 Haynes
195 Bockman
200 Dobernic
204 Savage
214 Ashburn….…….….. *
217 Pieretti
218 Kryhoski
222 Kellner
223 Hofman
226 Snider...….…….….. *
228 J. Mayo
237 M. Kennedy
238 Lemon....…………... *
240 Young **


* Note.... HOFer

** Note.... The front of the Norman "Babe" Young card actually depicts Bobby Young.
The bio on the back of this cards pertains to Norman Young.





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My favorite 1949 BOWMAN action pose....Stan (the Man) Musial in his classic batting stance.

How about showing us your favorite action pose in this set ?


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Old 11-22-2019, 12:57 PM
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I never like the Bowmans and they were the last things on my want lists. I have been gaining an appreciation for them recently though. I always hated the 49's. They were the worst in my eyes. I think I own 1.

You made them look great and with the story I am really beginning to like them!! Thanks for sharing and help making me a fan.
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Old 11-22-2019, 06:16 PM
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OK guys.... please pardon the lengthy story you are about to read here (if you so choose). A flashback to the 1970's begins this story.
I returned to this hobby in 1977. I credit my two Daughters (teenagers), who encouraged me to recover the BB cards from my youth.
Debbie and Zoe have always been avid BB fans. In 1977, they began collecting BB cards after seeing Reggie Jackson's amazing 3 HRs
in the final game of the 1977 World Series.

My large collection of the Sportscards from my youth were stored in the attic of my folks home. This 1949 set was the first one I was
interested in completing. In the process of acquiring the 40+ cards I needed, I was mystified by certain variations in it. And, so were
the hobby Price Guides of that period. Thru my hobby friend in Florida, John, I met another serious collector of 1949 Bowman cards in
North Carolina, Ralph Triplette.
Ralph and I compared our theories regarding these variations. We concluded that we should publish them in SCD. When we contacted
SCD, Bob Lemke thought our "ground-breaking" story was better suited as an article in their colorful BASEBALL CARDS Magazine. Our
article was published in Spring 1983 issue of BASEBALL CARDS Mag. Jim Beckett included our findings in his 1983 Beckett Price Guide.

Between Ralph and I, we have (or have seen) 6 of the 7 uncut sheets (36 cards each) which were printed in the production of this set.
The elusive 7th sheet has never been seen. On display here is my simulated version of it, which I put together many years ago. Note,
the 12 variations in the 1949 BOWMAN set are printed on the lower rows of this last sheet. Ralph and I have evidence (in the form of
overprinted backs) of the exact placement of 32 cards on this sheet. When I constructed this simulation, four of the variations on the
bottom row were unknown. Recently, additional evidence has surfaced and I have switched the placement of these 4 cards (as noted).



…………………………………....…….………… ^________________________^ ……….……….. ^_____________^

Note....evidence surfaced in recent years which made me switch the positions of Dillinger & Murtaugh, and switch Fitzgerald & Priddy


Stay tuned for more information regarding the 12 variations in this set.


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The elusive 7th sheet has never been seen. On display here is my simulated version of it, which I put together many years ago. Note,
the 12 variations in the 1949 BOWMAN set are printed on the lower rows of this last sheet. Ralph and I have evidence (in the form of
overprinted backs) of the exact placement of 32 cards on this sheet. When I constructed this simulation, four of the variations on the
bottom row were unknown. Recently, additional evidence has surfaced and I have switched the placement of these 4 cards (as noted).



…………………………………....…….………… ^________________________^ ……….……….. ^_____________^

Note....evidence surfaced in recent years which made me switch the positions of Dillinger & Murtaugh, and switch Fitzgerald & Priddy


Stay tuned for more information regarding the 12 variations in this set.


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Here's my imagined rendering of the even more elusive 8th sheet:
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:21 PM
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Indeed, the toughest series of cards in the 1949 BOWMAN set are in the 5th Series (#145 - 180). My theory is, these were most
likely short-printed. As Bowman was in a hurry for the production of their last 72 cards of this set (the 6th Series). The 6th Series
cards (comprising of sheets 6 and 7) are somewhat more available than the 5th series cards.

In completing several 1949 Bowman sets throughout the years, my experience is, that these 2 cards are the most difficult to find:
Preacher Roe (#162) and George Stirnweiss (#165).

I am not sure why the Preacher Roe card is tougher to find than other cards in the 5th Series. But, one thing is for sure, Roe was
the Dodgers' southpaw pitching "ace" during 1948 - 1953 with a 93 - 33 Won-Lost record.





Now, on the other hand, the scarcity of the George Stirnweiss card goes with a story......

Back in the 1980's and 1990's, when I would set up at BB cards Shows in New Jersey, George Stirnweiss' family often attended.

His family would buy every Stirnweiss card I had (1947 Tip Top, 1948 - 1951 Bowmans, 1952 Topps, etc.). Therefore, my guess
is this is partially the reason for why his 1949 Bowman card is very difficult to find.


I'm curious....you collectors of 1949 BOWMAN cards....what card (or cards) in this set have you found difficult to get ?


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Here's my imagined rendering of the even more elusive 8th sheet:
Hey Tony

Neat "sheet"......but, Porterfield, Shea, and Sanford are missing from your Yankees Pitcher's display ?


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Zabel Bros. Printers in Philadelphia produced the Bowman Sportscards & Non-Sports cards. The 1948 - 1952 cards were printed using 38-inch (track width) presses.
This press dimension neatly accommodated the printing of two adjacent 36-card sheets on a standard size cardboard sheet.

Unlike the first five series (36 subjects each), the 6th Series comprises of 72 subjects. Cards #181 - 216, and cards #217 - 240 (plus the 12 variations).








The 6th Series cards are Hi #s, and they are pretty tough to find. From my experience, though, the Bob Lemon (#238) card is considerably more difficult to find
than the other 71 cards in this series. I don't understand why this is. Anyone on this forum, who collects these cards, having a tough time finding certain cards ?





Here's a list of some of the star players of that era that are in the 6th Series...…

Richie Ashburn
Ralph Branca
Larry Doby
Joe Gordon
Larry Jansen
Charlie Keller
Bob Lemon
Eddie Lopat
Johnny Mize
Satchell Paige
Pete Reiser
Phil Rizzuto
Schoolboy Rowe
Dick Sisler
Duke Snider
Virgil Trucks


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Hey Tony

Neat "sheet"......but, Porterfield, Shea, and Sanford are missing from your Yankees Pitcher's display ?


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Ted, my sheet isn’t all Yankees pitchers, just the big 3.

I’ve completed a couple of 49 bowman sets and the hardest cards for me have been 162 Roe, 175 Appling, 189 Wooten, 194 Branca, 211 Ferriss, and 238 Lemon HOF RC. I also do find the 145 to 181 relatively scarce as well. Also the PNOB versions of the 12 “double prints” are also hard to find.

With all of the copies of these cards out there, do you really think that the Stirnweiss family collecting of the card could have the impact of making it scarce? There had to be millions of these printed. But how many could be in circulation / existence now? I wonder...

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It's sort of disappointing that this 1949 BOWMAN thread has not received more responses. It's a classic BB card set of 252 cards. The largest color set since the 1933 GOUDEY set.

OH WELL ! Let's see if we can generate some more interest by including the mysterious 1949 BOWMAN Pacific Coast League (PCL) set of 36 cards. Bowman expanded their market
to the west coast by introducing the PCL cards. Judging by their design and their colors, my guess is that these 36 cards were printed and issued during the Summer of 1949.

In the 1970's and early 1980's, the general consensus in the hobby was that these cards were only issued as sheets, of which the cards were hand-cut. This myth was dismissed in
the late 1980's by several finds.

Displayed here is the PCL waxpack wrapper.

…..…...... extremely rare 1949 PCL wrapper .................................................. ................... regular 5-cent 1949 wrapper

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Since the early 1980's, in the process of acquiring all 36 cards Factory-cut, I have completed 3.4 sets
of these PCL cards. Here is page #1 (of 3 pages) in my 1949 BOWMAN album.





……………….…...… Factory-cut ………..………..…..………...…………….. Hand-cut







Stay tuned for more 1949 PCL stuff....which includes my first "big deal" with Alan "Mr Mint" Rosen....and, my PCL find.

And, if you have some of these very "rare gems", don't be shy, share them with us.


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It's sort of disappointing that this 1949 BOWMAN thread has not received more responses. It's a classic BB card set of 252 cards. The largest color set since the 1933 GOUDEY set.



OH WELL ! Let's see if we can generate some more interest by including the mysterious 1949 BOWMAN Pacific Coast League (PCL) set of 36 cards. Bowman expanded their market

to the west coast by introducing the PCL cards. Judging by their design and their colors, my guess is that these 36 cards were printed and issued during the Summer of 1949.



Displayed here is the PCL waxpack wrapper.



…..…...... extremely rare 1949 PCL wrapper .................................................. ................... regular 5-cent 1949 wrapper



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Since the early 1980's, in the process of acquiring all 36 cards Factory-cut, I have completed 3.4 sets

of these PCL cards. Here is page #1 (of 3 pages) in my 1949 BOWMAN album.











……………….…...… Factory-cut ………..………..…..………...…………….. Hand-cut















Stay tuned for more 1949 PCL stuff....which includes my first "big deal" with Alan "Mr Mint" Rosen....and, my PCL find.



And, if have some of these very "rare gems", don't be shy, share them with us.





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Ted, I only posted once here but I've been loving all the info and pics! Thank you!!

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Can you comment on the light and dark backs of the first series (1-73 minus #4)? Are the dark backs rarer? When I put my set together without paying attention to the backs, I ended up with 44 light backs and 28 dark backs so it appears that the dark backs are harder to find. Do you know if that is really true?
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And is there a story to some of the cards having the player name on the front and some not?

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Can you comment on the light and dark backs of the first series (1-73 minus #4)? Are the dark backs rarer? When I put my set together without paying attention to the backs, I ended up with 44 light backs and 28 dark backs so it appears that the dark backs are harder to find. Do you know if that is really true?
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BOWMAN printed and issued their 1st series (72 cards) with White backs. These cards were very plentiful in the Spring of 1949, especially in the Northeast.
The Gray backs followed (circa May-June 1949), and it's my understanding that these cards were distributed in the South. And, the Mid West.

Apparently, the Gray backs were printed in lower quantities than the White backs.

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BOWMAN printed and issued their 1st series (72 cards) with White backs. These cards were very plentiful in the Spring of 1949, especially in the Northeast.
The Gray backs followed (circa May-June 1949), and it's my understanding that these cards were distributed in the South. And, the Mid West.

Apparently, the Gray backs were printed in lower quantities than the White backs.

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Hi Ted,

Thanks for the confirmation. I am currently trying to find the backs that I don't have in my set, and so far, the white backs have definitely been easier to get.
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Thanks for the confirmation. I am currently trying to find the backs that I don't have in my set, and so far, the white backs have definitely been easier to get.
Jay

I have two complete sets (252 cards). The first one with all the 1st series cards with White backs. And, the 2nd set with all Gray backs.
Completing the 1st series cards with Gray backs took me a long time. Bobby Doerr (#23) was the last one I needed.

Which reminds me....regarding the Gray backs, the first 36 cards [#1 - 3, 73, 5 - 36] were considerably more difficult to find with Gray
backs than cards #37 - 72.

Was this pattern the same for your ?


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Jay

I have two complete sets (252 cards). The first one with all the 1st series cards with White backs. And, the 2nd set with all Gray backs.
Completing the 1st series cards with Gray backs took me a long time. Bobby Doerr (#23) was the last one I needed.

Which reminds me....regarding the Gray backs, the first 36 cards [#1 - 3, 73, 5 - 36] were considerably more difficult to find with Gray
backs than cards #37 - 72.

Was this pattern the same for your ?


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When I initially collected the set, of the 28 grey backs I have, 16 were from the first 36 cards and 12 were from the second 36 cards so it doesn't seem like it so far. We'l see how it goes now that I am trying to find the specific back colors. Also, the Bobby Doerr card I originally had was a grey back.

My set is generally VG to VG/EX so that could have something to do with it as well.

Would you say the grey backs tend to have a premium since they appear to be more scarce?

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Hi Jay

Back in the 1980's, the Gray backs of the 1st Series (72) cards had a slight premium for them. However, in recent years no one deems them anymore valuable.


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Hi Jason

I guess you are referring to the 12 variations in this set. As you know, the set comprises of 240 subjects. However, each sheet was printed on a 36-card format.
This number (240) is not divisible by 36; therefore, BOWMAN had their Printer add 12 cards to fill in the blank spaces on the 7th (last) sheet.

Six subjects were derived from the 3rd sheet. Six more from the 4th sheet. You can see these 12 guys here on my simulated 7th sheet. Starting with Scheffing,
Evans, Majeski, and continuing the on the bottom row.with Mize, Brazle, Dillinger, Rizzuto, Murtaugh, Fitzgerald, Priddy, Salkeld, Zoldak.

Feel free to ask me any more questions regarding this set.





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