1970s baseball pinbacks

[ooo-ribay]

First of all, Howard, sorry if we were having fun with your price on the Clemente pin. I'm not sure you'll get it, but good luck. I had actually scribbled down a list, earlier, from this thread. Here's what I came up with:

Cubs - Pepitone, Santo, Williams, Hands, Popovich, Ortiz, Beckert, Jenkins

Red Sox - Scott, Conigliaro, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Josephson, Griffin, Culp, Yaz, Aparicio

Orioles - Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson, Palmer

Brewers - May, Bristol, Walton, Saunders, Harper, Hogan, Koslo, Loockwood, Pattin, Joss

Senators - McClain and Howard (rumored)

Reds - Rose and Bench photo proofs seen, but not actual pins.

Mays - Giants

Blue - A's

Clemente - Pirates

Seaver - Mets

Perry - Giants? (rumored)

Could be as many as 36 or 37, with definitely more when you count the variations in size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph.

[hcv123]

No worries on the fun with the Clemente pin. I understand based on what other similar pins have sold for that the price seems astronomical. I know the story behind them and the likelihood that no more than a handful of any player exist. I have seen only 2 Clemente's in over 25 years of collecting (and own both currently). I have sold too many items in the past for way less than their known scarcity dictated(imo). I have found that eventually someone who really knows how scarce certain items and want to add them to their collections is willing to pay for them. I'll either have an incredibly scarce pin remain in my collection or get what I believe to be a fair price for it.

As a point of information on the checklist - I never saw a finished pin of the Rose - only a proof/photo. Did someone else report owning or seeing a Rose pin?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by hcv123

As a point of information on the checklist - I never saw a finished pin of the Rose - only a proof/photo. Did someone else report owning or seeing a Rose pin?

No, I think you're right. I revised the list to reflect the Bench and Rose photo "proofs."

Is Gaylord Perry pictured as a GIANT? Would you mind posting a picture? If you have any thoughts of selling, please PM me.

[hcv123]

So the Clemente is sold. I have attached pictures of the Clemente with and without autograph - the plot thickens.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by hcv123

So the Clemente is sold. I have attached pictures of the Clemente with and without autograph - the plot thickens.

WOW!! Congrats on getting your price.

[ooo-ribay]

Good for you, Howard!

How about a picture of the Perry?

[hcv123]

I am not sure where I put the Perry. I definitely have it. I will post when I find it.

[71buc]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

First of all, Howard, sorry if we were having fun with your price on the Clemente pin. I'm not sure you'll get it, but good luck. I had actually scribbled down a list, earlier, from this thread. Here's what I came up with:

Cubs - Pepitone, Santo, Williams, Hands, Popovich, Ortiz, Beckert, Jenkins

Red Sox - Scott, Conigliaro, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Josephson, Griffin, Culp, Yaz, Aparicio

Orioles - Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson, Palmer

Brewers - May, Bristol, Walton, Saunders, Harper, Hogan, Koslo, Loockwood, Pattin, Joss

Senators - McClain and Howard (rumored)

Reds - Rose and Bench photo proofs seen, but not actual pins.

Mays - Giants

Blue - A's

Clemente - Pirates

Seaver - Mets

Perry - Giants? (rumored)

Could be as many as 36 or 37, with definitely more when you count the variations in size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph.

I just came across this photo of Pirate coach Frank Oceak in a SABR article. http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/0d29600d I can't imagine Frank was destined to be on a pinback. So perhaps the "photo proofs" were really just photos never destined to be pinbacks? The Oceak photo was provided for the article "courtesy of the Pittsburgh Pirates". Perhaps this photographer was a Pirate team photographer?

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by 71buc

I just came across this photo of Pirate coach Frank Oceak in a SABR article. http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/0d29600d I can't imagine Frank was destined to be on a pinback. So perhaps the "photo proofs" were really just photos never destined to be pinbacks? The Oceak photo was provided for the article "courtesy of the Pittsburgh Pirates". Perhaps this photographer was a Pirate team photographer?

I heard something about a dinner back in the early 70's at which there were some blowups of Clemente (and perhaps other Pirates?). Supposedly those images still exist somewhere. The photographer was not the Pirates team photographer - Les Banos was the team photographer.

The Rose "proof" that I had was small and square - approximately "pin size". The Clemente print I have is larger - I think 3x5. Whoever has the Bench - what are the measurements?

[ooo-ribay]

I'm now wondering about the background colors, too. Did the photographer have pinkish, blue, green, etc. backdrops or were colors somehow added after the photos were taken in front of a, say, white background?

[thansen30]

I bought my Joe Pepitone pin at Wrigley Field in 1971--I can't recall whether it was inside the ballpark or at a stand outside the park, but i DO recall purchasing it from a concessions stand after a game. That's what got me started on this damn thing in the first place.
About the backgrounds--it's highly unlikely that the backgrounds were retouched to alter the colors. The "technology" was too limited back then, and given the odd nature of this product i doubt the creator would have invested the time and effort to alter the backgrounds via composite or retouching. I do think they were shot against a colored background (a "sweep" in photo terms).
i've always wondered if the photographer got players as they came through his town, shot in a studio setting with multiple backdrop sweeps available (that's standard for commercial photo studios--they typically have dozens on hand), but everyone seems to be shot in their "home" jerseys, and it's unlikely that teams would have brought home uniforms with them on the road.
The Pepitone pin shows him wearing road pants and home jersey. Maybe these were shot during spring training (very likely) in either FLA or AZ . . . or both

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by hcv123

The Rose "proof" that I had was small and square - approximately "pin size". The Clemente print I have is larger - I think 3x5. Whoever has the Bench - what are the measurements?

Bench is not mine, but judging from the fingerprint in the lower right, I'm gonna guess 4x6 or 5x7.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

First of all, Howard, sorry if we were having fun with your price on the Clemente pin. I'm not sure you'll get it, but good luck. I had actually scribbled down a list, earlier, from this thread. Here's what I came up with:

Cubs - Pepitone, Santo, Williams, Hands, Popovich, Ortiz, Beckert, Jenkins

Red Sox - Scott, Conigliaro, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Josephson, Griffin, Culp, Yaz, Aparicio

Orioles - Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson, Palmer

Brewers - May, Bristol, Walton, Saunders, Harper, Hogan, Koslo, Loockwood, Pattin, Joss

Senators - McClain and Howard (rumored)

White Sox - Richard

Reds - Rose and Bench photo proofs seen, but not actual pins.

Mays - Giants

Blue - A's

Clemente - Pirates

Seaver - Mets

Perry - Giants? (rumored)

Could be as many as 37 or 38, with definitely more when you count the variations in size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph.

Updated with Lee Richard

[Cliff Bowman]

Add another one to the Cubs checklist, that's a 3" inch Randy Hundley pin in that scan. I believe there is a Ken Holtzman 3" pin, there was a negative that was on eBay a few years ago that was described by the seller as being used for a pin. There is also a mystery pin on this guys hat in Wrigley Field from a 1973 photo, it's the one to the left of the Popovich pin. Anyone have an idea who the player is? Possibly Milt Pappas? The others known are Ernie Banks, Glenn Beckert, Bill Hands, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, Jose Ortiz (need), Paul Popovich, Ron Santo, Billy Williams. The 3 1/2" versions that I know of are Ernie Banks (need), Glenn Beckert, Joe Pepitone, Ron Santo.

[MK]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Add another one to the Cubs checklist, that's a 3" inch Randy Hundley pin in that scan. I believe there is a Ken Holtzman 3" pin, there was a negative that was on eBay a few years ago that was described by the seller as being used for a pin. There is also a mystery pin on this guys hat in Wrigley Field from a 1973 photo, it's the one to the left of the Popovich pin. Anyone have an idea who the player is? Possibly Milt Pappas? The others known are Ernie Banks, Glenn Beckert, Bill Hands, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, Jose Ortiz (need), Paul Popovich, Ron Santo, Billy Williams. The 3 1/2" versions that I know of are Ernie Banks (need), Glenn Beckert, Joe Pepitone, Ron Santo.

There is a Milt Pappas.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by MK

There is a Milt Pappas.

Fantastic! There should be a Jim Hickman and a Johnny Callison, unless they didn’t want to participate that day.

[thansen30]

i'd say that IS Milt Pappas on the side of that guy's hat . . .

[MK]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Add another one to the Cubs checklist, that's a 3" inch Randy Hundley pin in that scan. I believe there is a Ken Holtzman 3" pin, there was a negative that was on eBay a few years ago that was described by the seller as being used for a pin. There is also a mystery pin on this guys hat in Wrigley Field from a 1973 photo, it's the one to the left of the Popovich pin. Anyone have an idea who the player is? Possibly Milt Pappas? The others known are Ernie Banks, Glenn Beckert, Bill Hands, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, Jose Ortiz (need), Paul Popovich, Ron Santo, Billy Williams. The 3 1/2" versions that I know of are Ernie Banks (need), Glenn Beckert, Joe Pepitone, Ron Santo.

There are two different versions of the 3.5 inch Billy Williams.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by MK

There are two different versions of the 3.5 inch Billy Williams.

Yes, the second Williams pin is the type I am referring to (assuming it has the metal back rather than the cardboard easel back), thanks for confirming it exists.

[ooo-ribay]

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[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

First of all, Howard, sorry if we were having fun with your price on the Clemente pin. I'm not sure you'll get it, but good luck. I had actually scribbled down a list, earlier, from this thread. Here's what I came up with:

Cubs - Pepitone, Santo, Williams, Hands, Popovich, Ortiz, Beckert, Jenkins, Hundley

Red Sox - Scott, Conigliaro, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Josephson, Griffin, Culp, Yaz, Aparicio

Orioles - Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson, Palmer

Brewers - May, Bristol, Walton, Saunders, Harper, Hogan, Koslo, Loockwood, Pattin, Joss

Senators - McClain and Howard (rumored)

Reds - Rose and Bench photo proofs seen, but not actual pins.

Mays - Giants

Blue - A's

Clemente - Pirates

Seaver - Mets

Perry - Giants? (rumored)

Could be as many as 38 or 39, with definitely more when you count the variations in size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph.

Updated.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Updated.

Ernie Banks and Don Kessinger are confirmed as Cubs.