T206 Brown Old Mill prices

[Sean]

The recent thread about the numbers and prices for Drum vs. Uzit backs got me thinking: With the recent find of Cobb backs, the brown Old Mills are now the rarest T206 back. What will this do to the price for brown OMs?

Will they go up in value, being the rarest? Or does this find have no impact on brown OMs, as they were already quite rare?

[mrvster]

great question......as you know, brown old mills are printer's scrap......scraps are unique unto themselves....

cobb backs shouldn't even be included in T206...

broadleaf 460 should be the "rarest" possible, issued back....

cobb, brown old mill, upside down backs, blank backs are in there "own catagories" imho.....

brown om pricing can go anywhere

I'm guessing a fair price should be 10-15 k.....but putting them up in price range next to design change proofs, planks, ect???? just seems a little much.....I'm jealous tho since I don't own one of these beautiful scraps

[Bpm0014]

Did one just sell on our BST (by accident) yesterday? Although it doesn't look handcut, but still........

[mrvster]

jerry kinda nailed it explaining drum vs. uzit.... pricing disparity vs. rarity.....

this is an anomaly where as the rarity doesn't represent the market price...

uzits....imho....are rarer than drum......drum are harder to peel out of super set collectors hands

[mrvster]

OMG!!!!!! IT IS!

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by mrvster

jerry kinda nailed it explaining drum vs. uzit.... pricing disparity vs. rarity.....

this is an anomaly where as the rarity doesn't represent the market price...

uzits....imho....are rarer than drum......drum are harder to peel out of super set collectors hands

Wasn't the outcome that Uzit was more rare than Drum? Broadleaf 460 is more rare than Uzit?

According to my tracker these were the rarest top 7 according to an article published by a fellow Net54 member sometime after the year 2000. Are we to assume that the tides have really shifted? What would we then categorize as the order?

1 Ty Cobb Assorted Assorted Factory 33, 4th Dist. NC
2 Old Mill (Southern League) Overprint(s) Assorted Assorted Factory 649, 1st Dist. NY
3 Old Mill (Southern League) Brown Factory 649, 1st Dist. NY
4 Lenox (brown) Assorted Assorted Factory 30, 2nd Dist. NY 1911
5 Broad Leaf 460 460 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA 1910-1911
6 Drum 350 350 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA 1909-1911
7 Uzit Assorted Assorted Factory 30, 2nd Dist. NY 1911

[JerryTotino]

Sean,

I was actually thinking about how the Brown Old Mills would now be viewed since the “Lucky 7” find was announced. I was looking at it from a rarity point of view though. I was hoping that the T206Resource website would make some sort of reference to the “Lucky 7” find and change the T206 rarity list accordingly.

As far as pricing goes I think only time will tell if there is any impact. The last example at auction went for 24K. Possibly the “Lucky 7” find might bring more attention to T206 backs in general. If more high end collectors become interested in completing a full T206 back run then the demand will increase for Brown Old Mills. Note: This assumes these collectors consider a printer scrap as a unique back.

Johnny if we use your logic and remove the Ty Cobb back and the Brown Old Mill back from the rarity list the Brown Lenox would be at the top of the list. BL460’s are very rare, but there appears to be fewer known Brown Lenox examples at this point in time.

Thanks,

Jerry

[mrvster]

almost forgot about brown lenox it is factory cut! brown lenox definitely rarest factory issued back....

but I believe uzit is rarer than drum total population wise....

[mrvster]

we think alike just saw your post.....also.....I may have been having"brown old mill eyes"....my monitor has the card "looking" brown

trying to get some kind of confrmation

I want a brown om so bad

[4815162342]

But, but, but, it looks brown!

[ullmandds]

it does...kinda! when u compare it to a blackie...the difference is more dramatic.

[Bpm0014]

I don't see a hand cut... But Johnny does. And I trust his judgment as much as anyone's. It definitely looks brown when compared to a regular OM.

[mrvster]

thanks my friend! you are becoming a phenom with these I was starring at it last night for over an hour or two.....what caught my eye was a "dip" or what appeared to be a "fatter" border on bottom.....my monitor fools me of the "shades" of black, depends on what angle I view it at.........I would love to measure, ect......I was 50/50 last night on my opinion.... a lot of times, a hand cut can be worn down to look almost factory dimensions/ or cut......takes a lot of observing the actual card.....otey is a possible, yet unconfirmed would be a beauty....id trade some nice cards for a brown om

unfortunately, I think my monitor fooled me on this! but I'm dying to hear the final verdict..... I would love to have it in hand

[The Nasty Nati]

It definitely looks brown. Looks like someone may have got a steal, but to me it's too hard to tell if it's scrap.

[Brian Weisner]

It's faded black.... I've owned one and held 3-4 more and they all have a similar look that is unmistakeable....


Be well Brian

PS Hey Johnny, I owe you a phone call... will try in the next few days.

[atx840]

Bought this one off eBay, scans can be very deceiving.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

But, but, but, it looks brown!

Compared to Jerry's card it looks too dark; more like the color of a brown Lenox than a brown Old Mill.