World Series Aces

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Posted By: peter chao

Of course there was Christy Mathewson and Joe "Iron Man" McGinnty, but how about other World Series twosomes?

Peter C.

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Posted By: Bobby Binder

Koufax and Drysdale (Dodgers)
Johnson and Schilling (Arizona)

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Posted By: Bill Stone

1960 Pirates -Vern Law/Harvey Haddix and of course --Elroy Face --they made it possible for the historic home run !!

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Posted By: Matt

2007 - CC and Fausto



Go Tribe!!!

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Posted By: Jimi

There is:

1) CC and Fausto 2007 -- These guys are crazy good!
2) Pettite and Clemens 2000
3) Smoltz, Maddux, Glavine 1995 and 1996
4) Lemon and Wynn 1954
5) Feller and Lemon 1948

Jimi

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Posted By: Joe D.

Don Larsen must be mentioned in this thread.

To pitch a no-hitter in a game is something really special.
To pitch a perfect game is something really really special.
To throw a perfect game in the World Series may very well be the best single game feat a pitcher can ever hope to achieve.

pair him up with any other yankee key pitcher in the 1956 World Series.

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Posted By: peter chao

Joe D.,

Well that's a record that will never be broken. Is it possible to pitch an even more perfect game in a World Series?

Peter C.

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Posted By: Joe D.

I forget the movie with brendan frasier (as a Yankee pitcher).....

but how about 27 batters and 27 strikouts and just 81 pitches.


That would be more perfect.

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Posted By: Darren

1968 Tiger
Lolich and McClain

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Posted By: Marc S.

in the 1984 and 1991 World Series (we'll forget about 1992)

Curt Schilling is 9-2 with a 1.93 ERA in the postseason.

Roger Clemens is 3-0 with a 2.37 ERA in his eight World Series starts.

Whitey Ford was 8-0 with a 2.71 ERA in his twenty-two World Series starts.

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Posted By: Chris Counts

There have been many great World Series pitching tandems, but none more colorful than Dizzy and Daffy Dean of the '34 Cardinals ...

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Posted By: Steve Murray

How about 27 batters on 27 pitches. Now wouldn't that be more perfect?

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Posted By: peter chao

Marc S.

Ford and Downing were a pretty good W.S. combination. Thanks for the stats. I found Ford's W.S. stats interesting, only 8 decisions in 22 starts? Whitey was pitching in a time when it wasn't fashionable to go to your bullpen. The New York managers had a lot of foresight.

Peter C.

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Posted By: Joe D.

For a pitcher, I don't think that would be better.

27 batters and 27 pitches means every batter made contact -
and your fielders had to make plays.


I think 27 batters and 81 strikes (3 pitches per batter / all strikes)
without a batter putting a ball in play, would be better.


That would basically be a catch between the pitcher and catcher.... no need for anyone else on the field.

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Posted By: Bill Stone

Is there a situation where a batter can be called out without a pitch being thrown? I seem to remember it in connection with batting out of turn --some of you who have scored games may be able to identify this situation --in any event would it be possible to have a total of 26 pitches thrown?

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Posted By: Marc S.

a pitch never needs to be thrown.

From the Baseball Reuls:
8.02 The pitcher shall not-

(a) (1) Bring his pitching hand in contact with his mouth or lips while in the 18 foot circle surrounding the pitching rubber.

EXCEPTION: Provided it is agreed to by both managers, the umpire prior to the start of a game played in cold weather, may permit the pitcher to blow on his hand.

PENALTY: For violation of this part of this rule the umpires shall immediately call a ball.



Thus, (In Theory), if a pitcher goes touches his mouth four straight times, he has issued a walk without every truly throwing a pitch. He can then pick off the runner. He can (in theory) do this 108 times.

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Posted By: Joe D.

that is pretty cool.

but it would negate a perfect game as soon as the first batter walks.

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Posted By: peter chao

Marc S,

Here's the problem the pitcher would have to have a heck of a pick off move.

Actually, that's a minor problem, in order to have a perfect game you cannot walk a batter.

Peter C.

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Posted By: barrysloate

1969: Seaver and Koosman

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Posted By: Mike

Let's not forget: Spahn and Sain and pray for rain

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Posted By: David Davis

An old Ripley's Believe it or Not cartoon stated that the least amount of pitches that can be thrown in a game is 9.
The first pitch each inning is hit for a triple. The next 3 batters are called out for interference as the runner tries to steal home.

Not a perfect game, but the most improbable of all situations.

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Posted By: barrysloate

How can a team get six hits in an inning without scoring a run?

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Posted By: Bob

Warren Spahn and Lew Burdette of the 58 and 59 Braves
Frank Viola and Bert Blyleven of the 87 Miracle Twins

Drysdale and Koufax had Osteen who was probably as good as Drysdale but the two pairs above had no one even close to them.

Actually if we are talking trios, was there ever one as good as Smoltz-Maddux-Glavine, all 3 HOFers one day?

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Posted By: Eric Brehm

Barry's question:

Five hits is easy: 3 infield hits, pickoffs at second and third, two more infield hits and the bases are loaded again with two outs. Now how do you get a sixth hit in the inning without scoring a run?

If the current batter now hits a ball that strikes a runner, I believe he is credited with a single, but the inning is over. Is that the answer?

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Posted By: Clint

The Orioles had several. Most noteable Palmer and Mcnally in 66,69,70 and 71. Throw in Cuellar in the last three. They had four twenty game winners in 1971 and lost the series.

Clint

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Well I'm a fan of Ed Reulbach, so I have to work him in somehow...

1907,

Reulbach starts 2 games, completes 1, giving up 6 hits, 3 walks, and 1 run in 12 innings.

Three Finger Brown pitches 1 game, complete, yields 9 hits and 1 walk, no runs, in 9 innings.

That is 21 innings of 1 run ball, a combined 16 hits and walks.

In that 1907 WS, 4 different Cubs starters each got a win.

The year before, 1906, Ed pitched game 2 of the World Series on October 10th. He gave up one hit, a 7th inning single to White Sox first sacker Jiggs Donahue. That World Series one hitter was the best there was for many years, until some Yankee did a bit better on October 8, 1956. Don Larsen's no hitter that day took only 97 pitches.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Eric- you hit the nail on the head. Well done!

I had a slight variation: single, caught stealing; single, caught stealing; three straight singles. But it's the same idea.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

I think Barry has a point... How can that last hitter get credit for a hit if he doesn't reach safely?

When you put 5 guys on with hits, and during the process 2 are out with pickoffs, forceouts, or the like... How can that 6th guy get a hit and not have a run score. Even with caught stealings, or rounding the bag and a force out...

It isn't a trick about half innings and innings, because Barry asks how can "a" team...

And I now see the Hit Runner deal...



1967 Cardinals

Bob Gibson starts and completes 3 games, 14 hits, 5 walks, 3 runs, 1.00 ERA, 3 wins,

Nelson Briles 2 games, 1 start, 1 complete game, 7 hits, 1 walk, 2 runs, 1.64 ERA, and 1 win.

In 38 innings those 2 guys allowed a combined 28 hits and walks... difficult to put anything together when you have a fraction of a runner per inning.

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Posted By: howard

How about four aces? In the late 40's and early 50's the Yanks had four great post season pitchers on the same team:

Whitey Ford 10-8 2.71 ERA (including the late 50's and early 60's)
Vic Raschi 5-3 2.24
Allie reynolds 7-2 2.79
Ed Lopat 4-1 2.60

They were at their best in the 1950 WS sweep against the Phillies. They started a game each and gave up only three earned runs in thirty-six innings. Reynolds even picked up a save.

Howard

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Posted By: john/z28jd

I played in a little league game with 3 straight triples and the team didnt score a run. Thats basically impossible in a major league game because triples are so hard to hit but the first 2 batters got thrown out at home trying to stretch it into an inside-the-park homer and the 3rd one the coach stopped him eventhough as i remember he had the best chance of scoring and then the next batter struck out

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Posted By: peter chao

Beckett and Schilling.

Peter C.

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Posted By: peter chao

I may be premature with naming Beckett and Schilling, but look at in this way, Beckett has the potential to win 3 games in the World Series. All Schilling and Dice-K need to do is win one game between them during the first 4 games of the WS. Red Sox are going to be tough to beat if Beckett wins game 1.

Peter C.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Peter, do you own a dog that you could talk to?

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Posted By: peter chao

Jeff L.,

I actually prefer the sarcastic part of you more than the police officer part of you.

Peter C.

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Posted By: Bruce Babcock

Actually, Burdette's big year (3 WS wins) was 1957.

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Posted By: Bob

Yes Bruce, you're right, should have been 57 and 58 against the Yanks, the Go-Go-White Sox were in the 59 WS.