PSA vs SGC...the definitive Debate!!!

[ullmandds]

Yes...this topic has been beaten to death...shall we come to a definitive conclusion to put it to rest?

Who sucks the least...PSA or SGC...please feel free to post evidence to support your arguments!!!!!

[CMIZ5290]

Peter, i think you know where i stand. They both make plenty of mistakes. But when it comes to resale value on your investment, psa cards bring alot more money, especially t206s.......

[rainier2004]

Bust 'em all out...

[glchen]

I love them both (and BVG too). Now please give me good grades on my submissions!!

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

Bust 'em all out...

+1. Put them back in when it's time to sell

[usernamealreadytaken]

I like SGC for consistency, customer service and value, but can't argue that PSA brings more $$. Not sure that will change . . .

[g_vezina_c55]

I prefer sgc but i also love psa cards but in my collection i have 1.5x more sgc cards.
I love the look of the SGC holder

[ullmandds]

I like SGC for consistency, customer service and value, but can't argue that PSA brings more $$. Not sure that will change . . .


+1!

[gorrister]

I'm a cracker, but if I had to choose, SGC has a more appealing holder.

[zljones]

Am I the only one that thinks the PSA holder is cooler looking?

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by zljones

Am I the only one that thinks the PSA holder is cooler looking?

Couldn't agree more, red and white over green and white.

[danmckee]

WOW! I actually voted for PSA considering the problems and the volume. I was shocked to see that I am in the minority. Interesting.

[teetwoohsix]

I found that after awhile, I started giving the card my own grades, probably like many of you do. It may say it's a 4, I may say it's a 3 as example. I guess I'm saying I look at the card first anyways, their grades are only a reference point-you make the final decision. I can see though, how it would matter more to someone from the selling point of view.

SGC
BVG
PSA

Sincerely, Clayton

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

I found that after awhile, I started giving the card my own grades, probably like many of you do. It may say it's a 4, I may say it's a 3 as example. I guess I'm saying I look at the card first anyways, their grades are only a reference point-you make the final decision. I can see though, how it would matter more to someone from the selling point of view.

SGC
BVG
PSA

Sincerely, Clayton

I'm 100% with Clayton on this. Learn to grade your own cards. All of us go through a learning process when we get into vintage cards and memorabilia, so why not make grading your own cards as part of the process.

TPG does the hobby a great service by examining cards and weeding out the ones that are trimmed and altered. I'm sure that has saved collectors thousands of dollars. Assigning grades, on the other hand, is really not a useful service. First off, it's too subjective and the grade can be changed on a resubmission. Second, the various companies use different standards so cards will not always receive the same grades when crossed over. Finally, many collectors disagree with the grades anyway. Just too many variables for it to make any sense.

Collectors should grade their own cards, and the TPG's should just stick to authenticating and that's it. That has always been my position and I know you've seen me repeat it more than a few times.

[ullmandds]

Barry... I would venture to guess that grading has made people many many millions of dollars more... then it has saved them?!

[barrysloate]

Peter- I could spend a long time giving you my response to what you said, but I'll leave it for now. Sure, if you resubmit an 8 and it comes back a 9, you will make a lot of money. But......

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I'm 100% with Clayton on this. Learn to grade your own cards. All of us go through a learning process when we get into vintage cards and memorabilia, so why not make grading your own cards as part of the process.

TPG does the hobby a great service by examining cards and weeding out the ones that are trimmed and altered. I'm sure that has saved collectors thousands of dollars. Assigning grades, on the other hand, is really not a useful service. First off, it's too subjective and the grade can be changed on a resubmission. Second, the various companies use different standards so cards will not always receive the same grades when crossed over. Finally, many collectors disagree with the grades anyway. Just too many variables for it to make any sense.

Collectors should grade their own cards, and the TPG's should just stick to authenticating and that's it. That has always been my position and I know you've seen me repeat it more than a few times.

Thanks Barry- I was hoping my post made sense

I also agree with everything you said. I think people's priorities will determine who likes what TPG better.....people who mostly only collect want consistency......people who mainly sell want whoever will give the highest grade *in some cases, even if it's not accurate.

My collection is like a big salad....SGC,BVG,PSA,and raw (sorry, no PRO ). I just want the card.

Sincerely, Clayton

[glynparson]

looks like an 84 to me. maybe an 86.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

I just want the card.

+1

[JohnP0621]

I have to go with PSA. In my opinion there grading is much more consistent.
I think they grade differently. SGC seem to grade their cards 1/2 to 1 grade higher than PSA. I have seen many SGC 60 that would be a PSA 4 and SGC 50 that would be a PSA 3 OR 3 1/2. That is why some people prefer SGC because their grades come back higher. A lot of people also buy grade PSA with Qualifiers and crack them and send to SCG and get a nice grade with no qualifier. They both make some mistakes but who doesnt. We all like to think that are cards should grade higher regardless of which company grades them and whoever does not give us the grade we think that we deserve sucks more .
I prefer PSA.

John P