NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-03-2018, 01:29 PM
t206fix's Avatar
t206fix t206fix is offline
Tony Davis
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Washington
Posts: 1,184
Default Sweet Caporal 460/25 moving factory lines

In pursuit of the Sweet Caporal 350-460 factory 25 subset, I noticed a slight printing variation for the bottom factory line. Not significant, but interesting, at least to me. Also, t206 print experts might want to weigh in... Were these printed on the same sheet, or different sheets? Was the factory number line added later?

Since most t206 selllers don't mention the back number, I tried to find a way to quickly determine the card's factory. In doing so, I found that the factory line has two variations -

Type 1: This type is found in under 20% of the cards that I've surveyed over the last few years. Notice a line extended from the T in subjects cuts through the S to make a $. Also, a line from the B cuts through the Y in factory. (Please note that I may or may not own some of these cards... I've done some upgrading/trading.)
Attached Images
File Type: jpg reulbach1.jpg (69.2 KB, 242 views)
File Type: jpg latham2.jpg (71.2 KB, 240 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-03-2018, 01:31 PM
t206fix's Avatar
t206fix t206fix is offline
Tony Davis
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Washington
Posts: 1,184
Default

Type 2: These cards miss the S when drawing a line extended from the T. It also does not intersect from the B to the Y.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg reulbach2.jpg (72.0 KB, 237 views)
File Type: jpg latham1.jpg (70.6 KB, 238 views)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-03-2018, 06:43 PM
boneheadandrube's Avatar
boneheadandrube boneheadandrube is offline
Greg B.
Greg Bish.op
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 399
Default all new Micro Variations!

Maybe they were texting and printing at the same time...
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-03-2018, 07:17 PM
iwantitiwinit's Avatar
iwantitiwinit iwantitiwinit is offline
rob.ert int.rieri
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: NC
Posts: 2,458
Default

I agree with you, the factory designation had to have been added after the rest of the back had been printed is that possible? By the way nice detective work.

Last edited by iwantitiwinit; 10-03-2018 at 07:22 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-03-2018, 08:08 PM
sreader3 sreader3 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,222
Default

Thanks for sharing Tony. I think this is a very important discovery — and so subtle it’s really impressive that you noticed! Reminds me of E121-80 Type 4. I wonder if there are multiple types of Factory 30 and 42 as well.

Agree this variation suggests the factory line was likely added to SC 460 cards after the rest of the back, similar to the Factory 649 overstrike in SC 150 and the Factory 42 overstrike in SC 460.

Again, now wonder if there are multiple “shifted” factory line types of SC 460/30 and SC 460/42 no overstrike backs ....

Last edited by sreader3; 10-03-2018 at 08:47 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-04-2018, 07:04 AM
Pat R's Avatar
Pat R Pat R is offline
P@trick R.omolo
member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 3,327
Default

In my opinion I don't think the factory's were added after the backs
were printed. If they were I think we would see examples that are
significantly out of alignment like some of the overprints which
were added after. I also think you would see some examples
with no factory at all if they were added after.

img053.jpg
img053 - Copy.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-04-2018, 08:13 AM
steve B steve B is offline
Steve Birmingham
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: eastern Mass.
Posts: 8,097
Default

I'm with Pat on this, if they were added after, we'd see the occasional card without the factory number and lots of different displacements.

The question though is why there's a difference.
The back plate would have been laid out using transfers taken from a master plate with one example of that back.

I can't see many reasons to make a second master, unless the original was worn or damaged.


Another possibility is that the transfer was made as a block of backs, maybe 9 or 12 backs? That's also a bit of extra work for something that might have been needed only once.


It would be interesting to know what cards have been seen with that difference.
I have an idea or two. One being that the stone used for the Factory 30 backs was reworked by erasing the factory designation and laying down new factory designations for factory 25. That would explain it being different from the other factory 25 backs, and the slight inconsistencies between the two type one backs shown.


Another thought is that it's a similar reworking of a 350 plate to make a 350-460 plate. I think that's less likely, especially with Reulbach being one of the cards. There shouldn't have been much need to rework the factory number, unless they only had one with a different factory.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-04-2018, 08:15 AM
steve B steve B is offline
Steve Birmingham
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: eastern Mass.
Posts: 8,097
Default

And since I forgot to mention it, nice catch!
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-04-2018, 09:05 AM
Pat R's Avatar
Pat R Pat R is offline
P@trick R.omolo
member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 3,327
Default

As more and more research is done on the set we also see more
instances where the best explanation is that the T206's weren't
all printed in the same place and I think this is another example
of that.

I would also like to say nice catch on this Tony.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-04-2018, 10:42 AM
t206fix's Avatar
t206fix t206fix is offline
Tony Davis
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Washington
Posts: 1,184
Default

Thanks guys -

From a quick scan on Ebay, looks like the factory 30s also have a moving factory line as well. These are not my cards - the first is a H. Smith, the second is a Bescher. I'll look into the 42s when I have a chance.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 301.JPG (57.0 KB, 74 views)
File Type: jpg 302.JPG (58.0 KB, 74 views)

Last edited by t206fix; 10-04-2018 at 11:44 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-04-2018, 01:40 PM
t206fix's Avatar
t206fix t206fix is offline
Tony Davis
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Washington
Posts: 1,184
Default

42s move as well
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 421.JPG (43.7 KB, 53 views)
File Type: jpg 422.JPG (73.5 KB, 52 views)
File Type: jpg 423.JPG (44.5 KB, 52 views)
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Need Tinker Bat Off - Sweet Caporal 350, factory 25 Rhotchkiss T206 cards B/S/T 0 05-30-2017 04:47 PM
WTB - Sweet Caporal 460 Factory 30 Cubs Rascal1010 T206 cards B/S/T 0 12-24-2014 07:01 AM
WTB T206 Sweet Caporal 350-460 factory 25 wolf441 Tobacco (T) cards, except T206 B/S/T 2 11-15-2012 10:25 AM
Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 25 Survey Abravefan11 Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 27 12-31-2010 03:18 PM
Sweet Caporal 150 Series Factory 25 Survey Abravefan11 Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 56 12-20-2010 04:12 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:08 AM.


ebay GSB