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Considering letting my Tinker go, I am aware of 3-4 other examples, is this the toughest 42? Highest graded
 
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06-03-2023, 06:10 AM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
.        .... Sweet Caporal ...... Sovereign ......... Piedmont___The "House" that created these Tobacco cards___American Beauty ... COUPON ...…...... UZIT This thread will provide references to major contributions posted on Net54 these past 14 years that have formed a better understanding of "The Monster" [as Bill Heitman so aptly coined his T206 book (circa 1980)]. Let's start with the 2005-2006 publication of Scot Reader's Inside T206 An excellent, very informative, and well written book that inspired many of us Net54ers to post our experiences and theory's regarding the complexities of the T206 series. One of the early and very significant T206 threads was posted in June 2006 by Barry Arnold, titled T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection ? This thread sparked lots of brainstorming among Net54ers regarding T206's. It included surveys; and, various aspects of the T206 series were explored.....resulting in 363 meaningful posts. Furthermore, between many of us Net54ers, this thread was...."the beginning of a beautiful friendship" (to quote Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca). In the Summer of 2006, Bill Brown posted his T206 Super-Set (excel) spreadsheet. Bill received 1000's of inputs from Net54ers for this spreadsheet. It was a great start in the pursuit of what a T206 "master" set would be comprised of....T206 Super-Set Sept 2007, I started a thread titled Joe Doyle NAT'L and it's 11 "cousins"....SURVEY to explore certain PIEDMONT 350 cards that I considered as rare as the Joe Doyle "error" card. I eventually referred to these particular T206's as the Elite 11 Subsequent posts in this thread will expand on theory's regarding the structure of the T206 series and the front/back permutations that have resulted. A fair number of the theory's presented on Net54 (since 2006) have withstood the test of time. Providing accurate lists of which front/back combos were printed. And, which ones are No-Prints. So, stay tuned......many more T206 "oldies but goodies" References and Reflections will be posted here. And, feel free to contribute any meaningful T206 stories, or experiences collecting T206's that you have. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________________________ INDEX Set your user settings to display 50 posts per Page. Then click on the topic of interest, then scan page for Post # noted. Post #1......Introduction....plus Scot Reader's " Inside T206 " book, and 3 significant T206 threads (circa..2006) for starters. Post #2......The beginning of the six "Super-Prints" Post #4......SOVEREIGN phantom "350/460" series (apple green cards) Post #5......350/460 series backs identified Post #8......350/460 series mutually-exclusive cards Post #22.....T206 Plank mystery Post #25.....T206 DRUM's...."A-B-C-D" connection Post #26.....A-B-C-D connection expanded Post #28.....1910 COUPON (T213-1) sub-set Post #30.....Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb back Post #31.....T206 Checklists....plus 1910 COUPON, T215-1 and Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb Posts #33 & 34.....Richard Russell's unique T206 collection Posts #35 - 36 & 38.....Exclusive 12 group (460-only series) Post #39.....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 No Frame subjects = DRUM subjects Posts #44 & 48.....Collecting T206 sets....tell us your story's Post #54.....T206 all-PIEDMONT set Post #65......SOVEREIGN set story Post #69......SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set story Posts #72 & 74......AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 adventure Posts #76 - 77......T206 cards RE-FRONTED (or re-backed)....FAKE's ! Post #93.....T206 "Proofs" Post #96.....UZIT checklist Post #97.....Spring of 1911....T206 era ends....the start of the "Golden era" begins Post #98.....ATC Factory's associated with the White-Bordered cards (1909 - 1911) Posts #101 & 106.....BROAD LEAF 460 checklist Post #107.....Hobby greats....Frank Nagy and Bill Heitman Post #108.....CAROLINA BRIGHTS checklist Post #124.....PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 checklist Posts #128 - 131.....Why are Connie Mack, Jack Coombs, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Smoky Joe Wood missing in the T206 set ? Posts #134 & 138.....Timeline of the T206 POLAR BEAR cards Post #144.....T206 OLD MILL (Major League series) cards Post #146..... T206 OLD MILL Southern League cards Post #161.....Southern League cards (continued) Post #162.....T206 Southern Leaguers Brown OLD MILL cards Post #171.....The mysterious T206 brown LENOX cards Post #181.....SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30 backs (w/o Factory #42 overprint) Post #190.....El Principe de Gales T206 cards Post #196.....SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #42 overprint cards Post #198.....Regional source of the Elite 11 cards Posts #201 >> 227.....Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's Posts #231 >> 248.....Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s) Posts #263 >> 276.....T206 color printing errors......let's see some of these interesting T206's Posts #282 >> 294.....The mysterious nature of the Red HINDU cards Posts #302 >> 316.....Show-n-tell us of your MAGIE cards Posts #328 >> 333.....T206 150-only subjects...... Posts #334 >> 346.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #353 >> 358.....PIEDMONT set structure & checklist Posts #360 >> 366.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Post #368.....Reminiscing about T206's in 2005 Post #378.....Remembering Jantz Morey Posts #379 >> 385.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #386 >> 402.....T206 printed sheet structure Posts #405 >> 440.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards Posts #441 >> 450.....Comparable printing patterns of the T206's and T205's Posts #453 >> 467.....Guess the price of a near complete T206 set Posts #469 >> 470.....Guess the selling price of a COMPLETE SOVEREIGN set Posts #471 >> 474.....Guess selling price of a near complete PIEDMONT set Posts #476 >> 479.....Guess selling price of a complete SWEET CAP, F#30 set Posts #481 >> 515.....Show-n-Tell us of your T206 "finds" Posts #516 >> 536....."Bang the DRUM Slowly" while showing us your DRUM cards Posts #537 >> 551.....Guess how many Demmitt & O'Hara St Louis cards exist ? Posts #553 >> 554.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #561 >> 570.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #571 >> 572.....FYI: 350 Series Minor Leaguer's checklist and trivia Posts #573 >> 573.....T206 Southern League cards illustrated Posts #574 >> 579.....T206 "Monster" obsession ? ....Check-out this one ! Posts #580 >> 597.....Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ? Posts #598 >> 600.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #601 >> 603.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #605 >> 621.....the TOLSTOI story Posts #622 >> 623.....Meet me at Philly, we can Talk T206's Posts #624 >> 635.....CYCLE 460 checklist Posts #636 >> 650.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #651 >> 664.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #665 >> 669.....UPGRADING T206 cards Posts #671 >> 674.....And then, there are times to down-grade your T206's Posts #675 >> 692.....Black LENOX checklist Posts #693 >> 697.....Check-out Jamie B's multi-brand T206 card Posts #698 >> 700.....Revisting the mysterious Ty Cobb card with TY COBB back Posts #701 >> 713.....Reprising the Ty Cobb / TY COBB card debate Posts #714 >> 726.....CYCLE 350 checklist..... where have all the CYCLE 350 cards gone ? Posts #727 >> 741.....the enigmatic Lajoie (with bat)..... Post your inputs and/or cards Posts #742 >> 750.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them Posts #751 >> 760.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them Posts #761 >> 800.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards Posts #801 >> 823.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards Posts #824 >> 832.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards Posts #833 >> 850.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here Posts #851 >> 853.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here Posts #854 >> 883.....What backs are your favorite(s), and do you collect runs of them ? Posts #884 >> 900.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS Posts #901 >> 916.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS Posts #917 >> 944.....MISSION (99%) ACCOMPLISHED American Beauty 460 run. Show your favorite run Posts #945 >> 950.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards Posts #951 >> 961.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards Posts #962 >> 984.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards (Re-visited) Posts #985 >> 1000....... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Posts #1001 >> 1002..... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Posts #1004 >> 1034.....Reminiscing about your 1st BB card Show where you acquired T206's Posts #1035 >> 1050.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top Posts #1051 >> 1066.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top Posts #1068 >> 1070.....Imagine the T206 guys come alive, great read about the 1904 season Posts #1071 >> 1086....."pet peeves" regarding certain T206's...and tell us of your's ? Posts #1087 >> 1100.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1101 >> 1150.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1151 >> 1160.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1161 >> 1193.....ATC's "signature" white-border T-card. Post your favorite Red Cobb Posts #1194 >> 1198.....Questionable action poses on certain T206's. Show us a questionable pose Posts #1199 >> 1200....."You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave" Posts #1201 >> 1207....."You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave" Posts #1208 >> 1213.....Revisiting the 150-only Series.....and, let's see your cards Posts #1214 >> 1225.....The "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card survey (Updated) Posts #1226 >> 1237.....The "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card and related subjects Posts #1238 >> 1250....."fat" AMERICAN BEAUTY cards....If you have any, let's see them Posts #1251 >> 1262....."fat" AMERICAN BEAUTY cards....If you have any, let's see them Posts #1263 >> 1281.....T206-like T209 (CONTENTNEA) 1st series....show us your T209 cards Posts #1283 >> 1294.....TRIVIA....Iffy call cost Team the Pennant. Who's the T206 player involved ? Posts #1295 >> 1300.....Interesting similarities between T206 Doyle Nat'L and T207 Hoff Posts #1301 >> 1302.....Interesting similarities between T206 Doyle Nat'L and T207 Hoff Post #1303....................INDEX Posts #1305 >> 1310.....Interesting similarities between T206 Doyle Nat'L and T207 Hoff Posts #1311 >> 1314.......... THREAD HI-JACKED ..... Posts #1316 >> 1318.......... THREAD HI-JACKED ..... Posts #1328 >> 1332.......... THREAD HI-JACKED ..... Posts #1335 >> 1341.......... THREAD HI-JACKED ..... Posts #1342 >> 1350.....Can't afford the orange Wagner, then the blue Wagner will do Posts #1351 >> 1373.....Can't afford the orange Wagner, then the blue Wagner will do Posts #1374 >> 1376.....Interesting association of AB350 (no-frame) T206's and AB460 T206's Posts #1377 >> 1398.....Fun run....PIEDMONT 350-460 Fact 25....Give it the old college try Posts #1399 >> 1400.....TRIVIA....Pitcher, Reliever, Infielder & good hitter. Name this T206 guy ? Posts #1401 >> 1402.....TRIVIA....Pitcher, Reliever, Infielder & good hitter. Name this T206 guy ? Post #1403....................INDEX Posts #1404 >> 1409.....TRIVIA....Pitcher, Reliever, Infielder & good hitter. Name this T206 guy ? Posts #1412 >> 1434.....To Grade, or not to Grade....that is the Question regarding T206 set(s) Posts #1435 >> 1450.....Anti-tobacco guys....Connie Mack and Eddie Plank Posts #1451 >> 1459.....Anti-tobacco guys....Connie Mack and Eddie Plank Posts #1460 >> 1472.....Stamps, BB cards, old Cars, which of them did you collect 1st ? Posts #1476 >> 1500.....Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ? Posts #1501 >> 1537.....Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ? Posts #1538 >> 1550.....TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME..a T206 guy's name "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy Posts #1551 >> 1551.....TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME..a T206 guy's name "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy In this thread, I've tried to present some very complex aspects of the Series structure of the T206 set in a style which is understandable to most of the T206 collectors. However, if not clear, don't be shy about asking questions. Post your questions on this thread. Or, email me with your question.... tedzan11@comcast.net In either event, I will gladly do my best to provide you clear and meaningful answer(s). TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 08-25-2023 at 02:52 AM.
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#1503
06-03-2023, 02:44 PM
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A great ongoing thread. I noticed that it just passed 666,666 views, which of course puts this heavenly thread well past purgatory and into red hot and fiery territory.
Keep up the good work Ted! Brian, alias Lew Siffer Last edited by brianp-beme; 06-03-2023 at 02:45 PM. Reason: the devil made me edit this
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#1505
06-17-2023, 06:10 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
The PIEDMONT FACTORY #42 cards are somewhat easier to find in the T205 set than in the T206 set. Except for the
32 subjects which I refer to as the "Exclusive 32". These T205 subjects were printed with the A - B - C - D pattern. Here is an example from my Miller Huggins run. The PIEDMONT FACTORY #42 cards in this group are difficult to find. In the past 7 years, I have found only 4 of these 32 guys with the PIEDMONT FACTORY #42 backs. .  .  A - B - C - D sub-set (includes 32 - T205 subjects)   TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 06-28-2023 at 08:31 AM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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#1506
06-18-2023, 05:37 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
A typical T205 back run comprises of 11 to 13 cards. Here is my complete run (11 cards) of Harry Wolter. Wolter was printed in the Exclusive 32 group.
This was my 1st T205 run that I completed. I have several other runs which are near completion. I am especially interested in NY Yankees players. Note....Wolter was not printed with the PIEDMONT Factory #42 back. My experience doing T205 runs has provided me an appreciation for the printing patterns of the T205's. Here are 2 major examples of these patterns: 1.... DRUM cards and HINDU cards are mutually-exclusive. 2.... the A - B - C - D cards and AMERICAN BEAUTY (Green) cards are mutually-exclusive. V----------------------------------- AMERICAN BEAUTY - BROAD LEAF - CYCLE - DRUM connection (A - B - C - D) -----------------------------------V V        ---- -------------  --------- Factory #649 .................................................. .... Factory #30 TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 06-19-2023 at 05:26 AM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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06-19-2023, 07:09 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
A NET54 "reader" emailed me regarding the T205 group, which I refer to as the "Exclusive 32".
I have confirmed that exactly 32 subjects (of the 208) in the T205 set were printed with the AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, and CYCLE backs. To date, 27 (of these 32) subjects in this group have been confirmed with DRUM. Eventually, I expect these five will be discovered with DRUM.... Beals Becker Buck Herzog Miller Huggins John Lobert Zach Wheat .     EXCLUSIVE 32 check-list James Austin John Bates Beals Becker George Bell William Bergen Russell Blackburne Albert Bridwell Mordecai Brown Harold Chase (border on shirt) Frank Corridon Thomas Downey Louis Evans George Graham (blue signature) Buck Herzog Richard Hoblitzell Miller Huggins Jack Knight A. Latham Thomas Leach John Lobert Briscoe Lord Patrick Moran Frederick Olmstead George Paskert Fred Payne Edward Phelps John Quinn Lewis Richie David Shean George Stone Zach Wheat Harry Wolter TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 06-23-2023 at 02:00 PM. Reason: Added information.
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06-21-2023, 07:09 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * *
    Continuing with the T206 runs....here's my Russ Ford run. Ford is included in the Exclusive 12 group. Each of the subjects in the Exclusive 12 group were printed with 13 different backs. LENOX and PIEDMONT #42 were not printed with these 12 subjects. I still need the UZIT and EPDG backs to complete this run. Trivia.....Russ Ford's rookie season record (26-6) in 1910 was quite a feat. Furthermore, he WON a total of 48 games in his 1st two seasons. I still need the UZIT and EPDG backs to complete this run.  .    Factory #42   Factory #42  Factory #30 TED Z T206 Reference .
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#1509
06-22-2023, 07:16 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
Here is another PIEDMONT Factory #42 card in my T205 collection.
I am looking for a complete check-list on the T205 PIEDMONT Factory #42 cards. Andrew Woodfin, ole buddy, I need your expertise in tracking down these PIEDMONT #42 cards in the T205 set. . .  . .  TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 07-06-2023 at 06:07 PM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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#1511
06-23-2023, 07:10 AM
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Hi John The Check-list in Post #1507 simply lists the T205 subjects ("Exclusive 32") printed with the A - B - C -D pattern. The AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, and CYCLE backs have all been confirmed. Five DRUM backs (bold lettering) identified in this list have yet to be confirmed with DRUM. James Austin John Bates Beals Becker George Bell William Bergen Russell Blackburne Albert Bridwell Mordecai Brown Harold Chase (border on shirt) Frank Corridon Thomas Downey Louis Evans George Graham (blue signature) Buck Herzog Richard Hoblitzell Miller Huggins Jack Knight A. Latham Thomas Leach John Lobert Briscoe Lord Patrick Moran Frederick Olmstead George Paskert Fred Payne Edward Phelps John Quinn Lewis Richie David Shean George Stone Zach Wheat Harry Wolter TED Z T206 Reference .
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06-23-2023, 07:37 AM
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Your post in #1507 states this. "I have confirmed that exactly 32 cards (of the 208) in the T205 set were printed with these four backs." So you can see how someone reading your statement would think they have been confirmed and not merely believe they were printed. John Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Last edited by orioles70; 06-23-2023 at 07:38 AM.
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06-23-2023, 08:06 AM
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[QUOTE=tedzan;2349943]Here are a couple more T205 PIEDMONT Factory #42 cards. I'm looking for a complete check-list on these.
Andrew Woodfin, ole buddy, I need your expertise tracking down these PIEDMONT Factory 42 in the T205 set. You don't need Andrew's help on the Camnitz, Ted. It's right here: https://t206.monkberry.com/t205.html See you in Chicago? Ed
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06-23-2023, 08:14 AM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
John
My bad.....I posted that list in a hurry, and forgot to proof-read it. I appreciate you bringing it to my attention. It has been modified. TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 06-23-2023 at 02:11 PM. Reason: Modified info.
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06-24-2023, 05:08 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
Jack Quinn is another one of my T205 Yankees which was printed in the EXCLUSIVE 32 group. I only need one card to complete this run.
You guessed it.... it's the DRUM. Furthermore, I need not search for a PIEDMONT #42 card of Quinn because it appears that HASSAN Factory #649 and PIEDMONT #42 are mutually-exclusive with respect to subjects in the EXCLUSIVE 32 group. And, I know his HASSAN Factory #649 card exists.*    .  .  . . . . .      .  . .  *P. S.... Somewhere in my T205 / T206 archives there is a HASSAN Factory #649 card of Quinn. I will post it here when I find it. TED Z T206 Reference .
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06-25-2023, 06:31 PM
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#1517
06-26-2023, 06:01 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
My favorite T205 is Miller Huggins. I have included him in my Yankees collection. Huggins had a keen eye for talent. As Manager of
the Yankees (1918), he persuaded Col. Jacob Ruppert (Yankees owner) to acquire Babe Ruth from Boston in 1919. The T205 Huggins is one of the few guys in the Exclusive 32 group that was printed with the PIEDMONT Factory #42 back. The DRUM back for Huggins has not yet been confirmed. However, since he was printed with the brown AMERICAN BEAUTY back, I expect his DRUM card will eventually be discovered. Furthermore, I also need a HASSAN Factory #30 to complete this run. If any of you have a HASSAN #30 Huggins for sale....please email me..... tedzan11@comcast.net .  . V--------------- brown AMERICAN BEAUTY ------------------------------- BROAD LEAF ------------------------ CYCLE ------------------- DRUM (A - B - C - D) -------V  . . . .  . . . . . . . .  . . . . . . . . . . . . .      TED Z T206 Reference .
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#1518
06-28-2023, 08:01 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
Here is my Jack Quinn with the HASSAN Factory #649 back....that was missing in Post #1515.
Therefore, we can assume that Quinn does not exist with a PIEDMONT Factory #42 back. The HASSAN #649 and the PIEDMONT Factory #42 are mutually-exclusive backs in the T205 group of cards which I refer to as the Exclusive 32.  .  Factory #649 TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 06-29-2023 at 05:02 PM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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#1519
06-30-2023, 07:09 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
And here is my Ty Cobb (with a POLAR BEAR).
I was wondering if Ty Cobb was printed with a PIEDMONT #42 back ? I'm hoping a T205 expert on this forum will respond to this question.  TED Z T206 Reference .
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#1520
07-01-2023, 04:36 AM
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I'm not a T205 expert but I do know that Cobb was printed with a Piedmont 42.
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#1521
07-01-2023, 06:09 AM
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Thanks Pat for posting that Ty Cobb was printed with the PIEDMONT #42 back. You are an expert researcher. TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 07-01-2023 at 06:11 AM.
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#1522
07-02-2023, 02:04 PM
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This one is not pretty, but a toughie! Glad to have it! I sent to SGC for encapsulation as P460F42. the neglected to Label it a F42. when I questioned the mistake they said I would have to send it back for "more Research" to identify if it is really a P460F42? huh? ugh..... comon fellas... sounds like the grader did not even look at the back and slapped and 1 on it. :-(
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#1523
07-02-2023, 07:14 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * *
  Pictured here are the 6 most difficult backs to find on the Exclusive 12 cards This run is my pride and joy...... This McGraw card is a member of the Exclusive 12 group. It was printed with 13 different backs. His UZIT card (unique) is a relatively new find, which completed my run. Note....no LENOX and no PIEDMONT 460 #42 backs.       Factory #42.....................Factory #42    . . . .  .  Factory #30 TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 07-02-2023 at 07:37 PM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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#1524
07-05-2023, 06:04 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
My red Cobb with a PIEDMONT #42 back is a real beauty; however, it's not an authentic T206.
But, that is fine with me, as it was very affordable. And, it certainly is a darn good reproduction. Whatever.....so let us see your PIEDMONT #42 red Cobb's. Any condition is show-worthy.  . .  TED Z T206 Reference .
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#1526
07-06-2023, 06:16 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
T205 George Schlei cards....one with a rare back (PIEDMONT #42); and, the other with rare front (green border, instead of gold).
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#1528
07-08-2023, 05:03 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
Well, not many anymore responses with PIEDMONT Factory #42 cards on display here.
In order to see some more PIEDMONT Factory #42 cards, here is a friendly bump, before this Post disappears off the front page. Hey guys, why not check-out your T206 (or T205) collections, you may be surprised to discover that you have some of these rare cards, but did not realize it. TED Z T206 Reference .
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#1529
07-08-2023, 09:15 PM
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I am one of the seemingly few pre-War collectors who is NOT a T206 affectionado. I do collect WaJo cards, and I do have this T206 Piedmont Factory 42 card of WaJo. However, I'm more interested in real-photo, black & white cards of WaJo, especially his 1916, 1917, and 1921-22 issues. I'm willing to trade my Piedy 42 for a black & white card of WaJo with a scarce ad back. A trade could be consummated at the Net54 dinner at the Chicago National.
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#1530
07-09-2023, 03:33 AM
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Gabby Street P42
Charles E. "Gabby" Street. "The Old Sarge". Catcher for the Washington Senators in 1908-1911. 312 hits and 2 home runs in 8 MLB seasons. Debuted with the Cincinnati Reds in 1904. Caught ball dropped from top of Washington Monument. Holds MLB record for longest gap between MLB games at 19 years -- 1912-1931. Managed the St. Louis Cardinals in 1929 and 1930-1933, including the 1931 World Series championship. Managed the St. Louis Browns in 1938.
https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1688895126 https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1688895129 https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1688895132 https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1688895136
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#1531
07-10-2023, 02:44 PM
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I checked my T205 set and have the following Piedmont Factory 42 cards:
Bill Bergen G.C. Ferguson Ray Fisher Dick Hoblitzell - name correct no Cin Ed Reulbach John Rowan Tony Smith Ed Sweeney Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
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#1532
07-10-2023, 07:01 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
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Hi Val I like your PIEDMONT #42 Walter Johnson.....however, I don't have any of the trade material you are looking for. Good luck at the National. TED Z T206 Reference .
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#1533
07-11-2023, 07:00 AM
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Pd 42
Ted knows the 42's are near and dear to my heart. Being in NC I decided to collect these backs for both the T206 and T205 sets. One card I want to upgrade is the T205 Evers. If anyone has a 2 or better let me know.
I don't know of any new discoveries of 42's since the Tinker showed up a few years ago. I believe Ted had seen the card before but no picture had been taken. The same 4 culprits in the T206 set that were thought to be verified have yet to turn up. These names can be found in the T206 PD 42 set list. Thanks Ted for bringing up these 42's once again.
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#1534
07-12-2023, 09:11 AM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
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Hi Adam I really have enjoyed our wheeling-n-dealing with these PIEDMONT #42 cards over the past 14 years. Especially when you would discover a Pd #42 that was unknown. Take care, my good friend. Adam....can you send me your T205 PIEDMONT #42 check-list.... tedzan11@comcast.net TED Z T206 Reference .
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#1535
07-28-2023, 07:20 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
Is it just a coincidence that the T206 set has 72 subjects confirmed with the PIEDMONT #42 backs, and the
T205 set has 72 subjects confirmed with the PIEDMONT #42 backs ? Being a numbers guy, makes me think it isn't a coincidence, but dictated by factors in the printing process. TED Z T206 Reference .
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#1536
08-07-2023, 06:31 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
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Hi Chris Tinker, in my opinion, is the toughest 42 ? Is your's still available ? TED Z T206 Reference .
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#1537
08-08-2023, 06:20 PM
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Re-visiting PIEDMONT 460 Fac. #42 cards....are there any more than 72 of them ?
Hey guys,
So far, we have only 23 different T206 subjects on display with PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42 backs in this thread. I expected at least 36 of the known 72 subjects with this rare back would have been posted. So, come on guys, let us put on a show here and post more of them. These elusive T206's add a certain amount of "sophistication" to our T-card collections. Especially some of the tougher ones (such as the above T206 Tinker). TED Z T206 Reference .
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#1538
08-18-2023, 06:28 PM
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TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME....a T206 guy's name "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy
Can you name these two Major Leaguers, who had their moment of "greatness" approx. 50 years apart ?
Should be easy......if not, I will provide some more hints. TED Z T206 Reference .
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#1540
08-18-2023, 11:00 PM
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This is a stretch because I am matching a first name to a last name but...
In 1910, Sherry Magee had his best season, leading the league in R, RBI, BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, TB, and WAR (most, but not all, of these categories were also career bests). In 1959, Larry Sherry was the World Series MVP, going 2-0 for the Dodgers with an 0.71 ERA and saving the two games he did not win (he did not start a game but finished every game the Dodgers won). I am not sure if these names "coincide" enough to be the answer Ted is looking for...if not, I will keep looking. Edited to add: it turns out Sherry is not a "1950's Topps guy" since his first card was in 1960. So I will try again tomorrow.
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#1541
08-19-2023, 06:08 AM
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TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME....a T206 guy "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy
Bill and Michael
Not the players I am looking for. Continue your search, and I'll bet one you will get the right answer. Thanks, TED Z T206 Reference .
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#1542
08-19-2023, 07:36 AM
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I knew mine was a stretch...I'll keep looking.
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My avatar is a drawing of a 1958 Topps Hank Aaron by my daughter. If you are interested in one in a similar style based on the card of your choice, details can be found by searching threads with the title phrase Custom Baseball Card Artwork or by PMing me.
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#1543
08-19-2023, 03:56 PM
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TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME....a T206 guy "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy
HINT.....
In the mid 1950's, the team of the T206 guy faced the team of the TOPPS guy in an exciting World Series TED Z T206 Reference .
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#1545
08-19-2023, 06:11 PM
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TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME....a T206 guy "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy
rats60
Congratulations....your are the Trivia King. .  I don't have a James "Dusty" Rhodes card to show. Perhaps, someone will post one here. TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 08-24-2023 at 06:42 PM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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#1546
08-19-2023, 06:26 PM
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 And a Rhoades 
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08-19-2023, 06:52 PM
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08-20-2023, 06:53 PM
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TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME....a T206 guy "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy
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Hi Chad Thanks much for posting your card of James "Dusty" Rhodes. And, the T3 card of Bob "Dusty" Rhoades. I'm sure you know that this T3 Rhoades card is one of the toughest cards to find in the T3 set. TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 08-21-2023 at 05:41 AM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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#1549
08-23-2023, 07:58 AM
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TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME....a T206 guy "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy
Hi Chad
My mind gets so involved in my vintage cards that I've become forgetful regarding my 1950's stuff. I clearly remember the James "Dusty" Rhodes performance in the 1954 World Series. But, I forgot that he is the #1 card in the 1955 set. TED Z T206 Reference .
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#1550
08-24-2023, 06:16 PM
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TRIVIA.....the NAME's the SAME....a T206 guy "coincides" with 1950's TOPPS guy
Certain Bob "Dusty" Rhoades cards are considerably tougher to find than other common T-cards.
Net54 member, Rob McKenzie, has searched for many years for the 1910 COUPON Rhoades card to complete his 1910 COUPON set. T3 set collectors will tell you that the Rhoades (arm extended) card is very, very difficult to find. I think when Cleveland sent Rhoades to the Kansas City Blues (Feb 1910) American Lithographic subsequently stopped printing him. TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 08-24-2023 at 06:47 PM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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