How rare would a stack of 1921 Herpolsheimer's be? Including Babe. Just wondering :)

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by Atari

Me, Babe Ruth, and his 38 friends from the band-aid can? I guess I write"we" occasionally here as I am assisting another party (my uncle) help spread the word that this collection exists and the cards from it may be for sale.... soon.

Got it, thanks.

[Atari]

PSA lists that they have seen one Ruth from this series:

https://www.psacard.com/pop/baseball...sheimers/40209


Do they have an image of it somewhere? How does that work? Or it's just graded by PSA and sitting in someones private collection somewhere?

[swarmee]

https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice...sheimers/40209
The only ones PSA would have images of are the ones that have sold at auction that they're tracking through Auction Prices Realized or if people upload them to their website for a Set Registry. Maybe in an old SMR magazine article if someone allowed them to be photographed.
Other places to check: worthpoint, Sports Collectors Daily, PWCC marketplace, VCP, Google, etc.

[ValKehl]

Atari, nice find. As others have said, your Herps-Ruth card will fetch big $$. However, even though your group includes several other HOFers, I think you may be surprised as to how few $$ the other Herps cards will fetch. I say this because (1) 1921 Herps cards are too scarce for a collector to attempt to complete a set of them - scarcity often works against a card's value, (2) there are several other, identical, but scarcer 1921 issues - e.g., Leader Theatre, Haffner's Bread, Gassler's Bread, Clark's Bread, etc. that don't sell for all that much, and (3) most pre-War collectors (but not me) prefer the very colorful cards created by artists to the real-photo, black & white cards.

BTW, I'm thrilled to see that your find does not include a WaJo card, as I love having 1-of-1 cards. On the other hand, I'm saddened to note that your find includes a Sam Rice card. Oh well, one can't win them all!

[Cardboard_Mike]

It looks like your uncle will be retiring early.

[Atari]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Atari, nice find. As others have said, your Herps-Ruth card will fetch big $$. However, even though your group includes several other HOFers, I think you may be surprised as to how few $$ the other Herps cards will fetch. I say this because (1) 1921 Herps cards are too scarce for a collector to attempt to complete a set of them - scarcity often works against a card's value, (2) there are several other, identical, but scarcer 1921 issues - e.g., Leader Theatre, Haffner's Bread, Gassler's Bread, Clark's Bread, etc. that don't sell for all that much, and (3) most pre-War collectors (but not me) prefer the very colorful cards created by artists to the real-photo, black & white cards.

BTW, I'm thrilled to see that your find does not include a WaJo card, as I love having 1-of-1 cards. On the other hand, I'm saddened to note that your find includes a Sam Rice card. Oh well, one can't win them all!

Hey ValKehl - Thanks for your note. You make some good points there. Hard to tell what they might go for these days. Glad I didn't uptick your WaJo, but as far as the Sam Rice goes (E.C. Rice?)... maybe you'll wind up with 2 of 2? That would be almost as cool as having 1 of 1.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by Atari

Hey ValKehl - Thanks for your note. You make some good points there. Hard to tell what they might go for these days. Glad I didn't uptick your WaJo, but as far as the Sam Rice goes (E.C. Rice?)... maybe you'll wind up with 2 of 2? That would be almost as cool as having 1 of 1.

Yes, HOFer Edgar Charles Rice is better known as Sam Rice.

[glchen]

Wow, cool, that's an awesome find! I love seeing new cards like this coming out.

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by Atari

Hard to judge the value of a good one-of-a-kind industry press release

Which of the 3 major services can currently issue a press release with nicely edited youtube video of them grading this lot? Would you watch that video?

I work in the industry and the press would not be as valuable as you might think. The major card companies have a huge backlog so they are not hurting for business. If you found a new grading company looking to make a splash, maybe, but they would not enhance the value to the degree of the big three.

[Atari]

Originally Posted by swarmee

https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice...sheimers/40209
The only ones PSA would have images of are the ones that have sold at auction that they're tracking through Auction Prices Realized or if people upload them to their website for a Set Registry. Maybe in an old SMR magazine article if someone allowed them to be photographed.
Other places to check: worthpoint, Sports Collectors Daily, PWCC marketplace, VCP, Google, etc.

Thanks for the tips! So far no luck finding that other Ruth anywhere other than the PSA listing. Would be nice if they had more detail on it like when it was last seen/graded.

[swarmee]

One trick you can try is to find the cert numbers of the other cards you have found, like in the APR page on PSA's website. Then with the cert number of a known card from the set, you can type in nearby numbers to see if it was submitted with other from the set at the same time. I remember cert numbers starting with 90,000,000 and ones around 11,000,000 from the couple I spotted last night. Once you've found those, you can figure out which year it was submitted by finding modern cards that were submitted around the same cert numbers. It's a little tedious, but there is a workaround.

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by Atari

He says, 5 pages later.

Maybe you're right... instead of 1700 views over 5 pages of threads in just 8 hours we could have done better.

Posted after reading the thread all the way through.
Seems that is the correct way to do it.

[Atari]

Been going back over this thread and the broader 1921 Herpolsheimer's saga a bit more because these cards will be going to auction very soon. I'll let the auctioneer who has them make the official announcement, but I think they're in the best hands they could be in, especially in terms of knowledge and passion for these nearly impossible to find cards.

btw, it took quite some time to get to this point because my uncle unfortunately was unexpectedly diagnosed with stage IV liver cancer and died 20 days later in 2020. We have been going through mourning of his loss and the whole probate process since then. Really sucks as he was like my dad and big brother and best buddy all in one. He was a collector of many things and an auction goer himself. He would have really loved to watch the sale of these cards. RIP.

[Seven]

Always amazed at some of the finds that pop up on the boards. Absolutely incredible! I'm sorry for the loss of your uncle. I hope you have been able to find some closure.

[Yoda]

Put them on the B/T/S thread raw. They look good to me and you will save a bundle on grading fees.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Put them on the B/T/S thread raw. They look good to me and you will save a bundle on grading fees.

I have dibs on Ruth.

[Madi$on18joshua]

So sorry for your loss, sounds like he would have really enjoyed watching the auction! which auction house are they with, I would love to make a go at a couple.

[NonSportDaniel]

Maybe the auction house can auction them as a group, and as individual cards and whichever goes for more will decide who wins them.

Sorry for your loss. I lost both of my parents in the last three years. Sucks getting old.

[autograf]

Originally Posted by NonSportDaniel

Maybe the auction house can auction them as a group, and as individual cards and whichever goes for more will decide who wins them.

Now, THAT's funny Daniel.

Well, one good thing in your favor is that during Covid, Ruth cards went up exponentially. Best of luck with the sale and disbursement of the funds to family. Sorry for the loss of your uncle.

[Brian Van Horn]

Not meant to rhyme but overjoyed to avoid.