To Much Money for a Fake

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5244588050&rd=1&sspage name=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

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Posted By: jay behrens

If this bids are legit, I am sure we can count a lot more scammers submitting their reprints so they can get the valuable ?AUTHTCT flip. I never understood why a flip is sent for a card they won't. It serves no purpose, except for this one.

Jay

My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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Posted By: identify7

If the authenticity is not questionable, they should not state that it is. I do not think that the authenticity of this card is uncertain.

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

fake fake fake........

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

The seller even amended the item description to indicate that the PSA label meant questionable authenticity.

Go figure....

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Posted By: identify7

To some, questionable authenticity means that PSA says - maybe it is real, we aren't sure.

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

If these are real bidders they really should

experience themselves

in what a real CJ should look like. Rob

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

If these are real bidders then the winner is going to find out just how much $500 of experience will be worth...

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Posted By: tbob

I looked at all the past feedback of the winning bidder and he looks legit to me. Just fooled by this obvious fake. So I guess this means that PSA won't grade my blank back T207 as authentic, even though it is, but will grade an obviously fake Cracker Jack reprint. Gee, nice to know...
P.S. Someone needs to send the buyer of that card a link to this thread if it hasn't already been done.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

I guess we should include this link with it:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=153652&messageid=1127084991&lp=1127210253

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Posted By: barrysloate

Anybody have the nerve to email the winner and tell him exactly what his $500 got him? I hate to get involved, but maybe someone on the board has more guts than I do.

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

To me just more proof why you should NEVER use PSA, no scruples. They will grade anything for a buck. We are to believe they are "experts" doing crap like this.

Lee

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Posted By: leon

I am a little less than neutral about PSA but they did get this one RIGHT. If anyone buys a card in a holder that has a question mark next to "authentic" then I just don't have too much sympathy for them. Questionable authenticity is the correct grade on this.....actually more correct would be "FAKE"....but I still think PSA was ok on this one...unless there's something I am missing....regards

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Posted By: barrysloate

"Questionable" sounds like they couldn't determine if it was fake or real, and thus are not passing final judgment. In this case, there's no grey area, it's 100% fake. Misleading label.

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

Leon,

I disagree, They are suppose to be the "experts". If they are not sure they should do nothing. Not put your name to something that leaves open the possibility of it being original. That is whatis happening with the "?".

Lee

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Posted By: scott brockelman

according to a quick check of the cert. # PSA never slabbed the card, they returned it unslabbed with the label, just as they do trimmed or recolored cards, or any other card not slabbed for some reason, they all get a cert# and label as they go through the grading process.

perhaps they should correct the labeling on cards such as this to REPRINT.

scott

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Posted By: dennis

it's either a reprint or authentic...there should be no such thing as questionable authenticity. shame on PSA for not calling this a REPRINT.

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Posted By: leon

I have to agree. The more I think about it there is really nothing "questionable" here and it should have been labeled a FAKE or REPRINT.....I guess it's semantics and PSA should be more clear. If I graded the card in question I would put a big fat "FAKE" or "REPRINT" on the label.....

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Posted By: Rick

PSA did nothing wrong...sent back the card to the guy without a holder and told him they wouldnt grade it.

My box of Malboro doesnt say it will kill me...it says the pregnant women who smoke this product may suffer from fetal injury...

mcdonals only lists their calories ...they dont tell you that eating too much will give you a heart attack.

Jebus you guys jump at PSA for anything.

The buyer is a complete moron...he didnt do any research and droped 500 bucks on something which he knows nothing about.

He is actually a greedy moron thinking that he could buy a card which would sell for thousands of dollars for just 500...he is probably thinking that he took this guy to the cleaners.

Give me a break

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Posted By: David Vargha

Questionable authenticity is simply "lawyerese" for fake. What does SGC call it? Geez, the card was unslabbed and sent back because it wasn't real. That somebody then bid $500 on it is a testament to greed, not PSA's inability to convey the English language properly. PSA has enough real issues without having to create imaginary ones.

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: jay behrens

so why is it neccessary to speak legalese? Why is it so difficult to just call it a reprint? Reprint is clear, concise and to the point. Calling a card "? AUTHNTCT" leaves their judgement of the card wide open to interpretation. This is completely unacceptable from a company that claims to be the leader in its field.

Never seen a similar SGC flip, so I can't make any judgekent about how they handle these types of cards.

Jay

My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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Posted By: David Vargha

so why is it neccessary to speak legalese?

Because of people who sue over trivial and seemingly frivolous things and their lawyers who are more than happy to take their cases forward.

Why are blatantly obvious warnings posted on products?

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: one-in-ten

Why not just refuse to slab the card like SGC does? I have nothing against PSA, but that seems the reasonable thing to do.

--Chad

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Posted By: rob

Where they made the mistake was where they typed up that label, quite misleading. Just where are PSA's so called experts? They should know a 1915 CJ back will be upside down. Of course, so should anyone buying CJ cards.

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Posted By: Greg Ecklund

PSA did refuse to slab that card - they did their job in that regard. I don't know how anyone can look at the picture of it and think it is in a slab.

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

First all everyone the card was never slabbed. It go the same procedure as SGC, where you get a label without a slab. Where I fel that PSA is wrong is the that the label is theirs and the ? Authentic, is a very poor way of saying why the card was not slabbed. It still has there named attached, even though it is not slabbed.

Lee

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

It's Back....


http://cgi.ebay.com/1915-CRACKER-JACK-TY-COBB-30_W0QQitemZ8701818879QQcategoryZ86841QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem

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Posted By: scott ingold

With the same returned not authentic flips.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8701820675&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BID_IT

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

Last one (at this time):

http://cgi.ebay.com/1948-LEAF-BABE-RUTH-3_W0QQitemZ8701821326QQcategoryZ641QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Posted By: dennis

Backed out after auction ended. BEWARE!! Please remove this buyer from Ebay
Seller sabu241 ( 176) Oct-01-05 14:49 5244588050 it's funny how this scam artist seller sabu241 gives a negative to the buyer for backing out of a $500.00 sale of a reprint. WHAT A JERK!