T206's - A Once In A Lifetime [Scan Heavy]

[Sean1125]

Enjoy.

[Sean1125]

[Luke]

Sean, these are amazing! Are they from a new purchase you've made?

[Al C.risafulli]

Very nice, Sean.

-Al

[Sean]

Hi other Sean. Can you tell me about that 2nd Beaumont, the one with the missing color and the pinhole?

[usernamealreadytaken]

Won this in a lot from LOTG recently. Didn't know what to think about the Bender, but looks like it belongs among your Bender and Brown . . .

[mrvster]

great cards! I love some of the ghosts....some are true error color variations you have there, others are not.....some are outstanding and some are caused by chemicals(as in the case with the bender).....

email me and I can let you know which ones are legit, and which ones aren't....too bad no scrap!(as far as I can see)

[Gradedcardman]

Ouch !!

[sreader3]

Neat cards--thanks for sharing. I really like the Collins (Minny) missing caption and the double-captioned Turner with Lobert above.

[Sean]

Sean, I'm wondering about that Beaumont because I have one as well, also missing color and with a nearly identical pinhole.
What are the odds?

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Sean

Sean, I'm wondering about that Beaumont because I have one as well, also missing color and with a nearly identical pinhole.
What are the odds?

What are you wondering about it, Sean?

Sean

[Sean]

I'm curious because of how similar the cards appear . There was a thread about this last year in which a board member speculated that my Beaumont wasn't really missing the red. He thought that the card had been pinned-up in the sun, causing the red to fade.
Now here is another card that appears to have been pinned-up at some point, and it has the same amount of missing red color. Either he was right, or that is an amazing coincidence.

Sorry I can't remember the board member, or I would credit him by name.

[milkit1]

thereis a boatload of seans

[bbcard1]

Important question...is the Herzog a Large Ass?

[HRBAKER]

I know this, those are some Large Ass scans!

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by Sean

I'm curious because of how similar the cards appear . There was a thread about this last year in which a board member speculated that my Beaumont wasn't really missing the red. He thought that the card had been pinned-up in the sun, causing the red to fade.
Now here is another card that appears to have been pinned-up at some point, and it has the same amount of missing red color. Either he was right, or that is an amazing coincidence.

Sorry I can't remember the board member, or I would credit him by name.

One thing I've noticed over the years is that when a T206 shows some form of printing flaw, sometimes different flaws appear on the same player's cards. Its just a matter of time before they are found.

For instance, take Newt Randall. Here are three examples.

1. Newt "Abe" Randall
2. Newt Randall, who played for Milwaukef.
3. Newt Randall, with a stray line on the right side parallel with the image border.

There are others too.

Nice cards Sean1125!

Jantz

[mrvster]

I think you are one of the masters of these subtle variations, if not "the" expert on these

we dream of T206 variations, don't we??

btw....I love the ABE.....that full "caption jump" , as I call them, is 1 of only 2 I have ever seen(del howard being the other)......very rare.....very

one of my favorites

[Jantz]

Thank you for the nice comments Johnny!

Honestly though, almost all the credit should go to the other Net54 members and their willingness to share their knowledge and discoveries.

So many members have helped me along the way.


Jantz

[wonkaticket]

Agree handful of neat cards, but I too hope you didn't pay top dollar for the bulk of them as many are not legit errors for quite a few reasons mentioned.

Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,

John

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Sean

I'm curious because of how similar the cards appear . There was a thread about this last year in which a board member speculated that my Beaumont wasn't really missing the red. He thought that the card had been pinned-up in the sun, causing the red to fade.
Now here is another card that appears to have been pinned-up at some point, and it has the same amount of missing red color. Either he was right, or that is an amazing coincidence.

Sorry I can't remember the board member, or I would credit him by name.

Sean, I may have been a person who suggested that many of the light or slight missing red cards could be caused by sun damage or UV exposure. Not all but many IMO. Not sure if was about your Ginger card or not. It may have been a thread that discussed the below H&S auction lot. On the below cards I have little doubt UV played a role in their looks.




I wondered when these cards would show up again. Looks like they have. It's a shame the display pieces we're dismantled IMO...but the buyers choice in the end.

Sean B you may already be aware but many of your above scans seem to show cards that came from this group of cards affixed to the folk art items that sold in this H&S lot. Just an FYI.

http://jan12.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...l?itemid=41515




Cheers,

John

[atx840]

Great detective work John! Agreed on the displays, were pretty cool as is.

As well the Rucker was pulled from auction as it was determined to be faded.

[mrvster]

Johnny and Chris.....

as always on top of things....keep up the good work....I tried to explain this to the poster earlier.....there are a few in his batch legit( I am willing to point out, but don't want to in his post)....

buyers be wary on some of these inmho........all due respect

[mrvster]

I'm feeling these cards:

sclei w/s/t, durham wst, dunn off reg, geyey wst, cravat color shift, Crawford m/c top /b, lake name top, Maddox ghost, doyle name top, demmitt hat shift, ganzel doublr rr, mcquillen, merkle, scaefer, sclei batting, Crawford ghost, heedham wst, schlei wst, manning ghost, bliss wst, bowerman / chance, grim yellow back, Clarke yellow back, schlei wst, burns shift, butler shift, berger, barbeau, karger ghost sick!, lobert/ turner, bescher ghost, wiltse, lajoie name at top, beck m/c top bottom,





some are pretty sick......the rest I'm a little iffy on the missing colors....

[Bpm0014]

Great detective work.

[brianp-beme]

I have a yellow belt Ritchey similiar to the one shown above...will scan and share when I have the chance. This is only the second one I have seen.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Here is my Ritchey, which is very similar to the one in the OP group scans. Is the yellow belt (instead of the normal red) the result of a missing pass of red? Mine also still has a faint amount of red on his cap and collar.

Brian

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Here is my Ritchey, which is very similar to the one in the OP group scans. Is the yellow belt (instead of the normal red) the result of a missing pass of red? Mine also still has a faint amount of red on his cap and collar.

Brian

I would say that the Ritchey is missing the red pass; the color you see on the hat is not faded red, it is pink/buff which was a separate pass. The yellow belt probably exists on every Ritchey, with the Red pass right over the top. Dig through scans of Ritchey looking for a red offset that exposes the yellow belt or pink on the hat.

I had a Gilbert that I was convinced was missing Red, but SGC wouldn't slab it. See this post:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...2&postcount=14

[brianp-beme]

Thanks Erick...I'll have to check out offset Ritcheys in the future for hints of the yellow belt. It looks like they used the same yellow color for the base color of his bat.

Brian

[Pat R]

Brian, if the scans go through big enough to show it, here are a few with
yellow showing around the belt.


Patrick

[wonkaticket]

Sean, never did ask. Do you plan on selling these cards? Are they your personal collection or cards you bought for yourself.

Not sure what the concept beyond simple sharing was when you posted these. I assume if they are for sale you will disclose the issues pointed out with many of these cards etc.

Just wondering as I know some others are.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Sean, never did ask. Do you plan on selling these cards? Are they your personal collection or cards you bought for yourself.

Not sure what the concept beyond simple sharing was when you posted these. I assume if they are for sale you will disclose the issues pointed out with many of these cards etc.

Just wondering as I know some others are.

They are not for sale.

After all, this is a baseball card forum. Specifically pre-war, I figured members would appreciate seeing them.

[wonkaticket]

Yes it think everyone enjoyed seeing some of them and as said before thanks for sharing. It was the title of the thread and your status as a dealer that raised the question are they coming up for sale etc. not unlike what the folks from Just Collect have been doing as of late.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Yes it think everyone enjoyed seeing some of them and as said before thanks for sharing. It was the title of the thread and your status as a dealer that raised the question are they coming up for sale etc. not unlike what the folks from Just Collect have been doing as of late.

My marketing post comes before the national about the 400 T206's I just found

[wonkaticket]

Wow good stuff, good luck with the sales and nice to know you're a collector as well thanks for sharing cards from your personal collection above also.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Brian, if the scans go through big enough to show it, here are a few with
yellow showing around the belt.


Patrick

Thanks Pat for all the examples. You can definitely see what is going on with the color overlays. Now I don't have to search around for evidence of yellow belts on Ritchey. Perhaps I will spend my newly acquired free time searching for T206 cards with unusual uniform stains instead.

Brian

[Leon]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Wow good stuff, good luck with the sales and nice to know you're a collector as well thanks for sharing cards from your personal collection above also.

No need to put words in his mouth John. He never said he is a collector, he said they aren't for sale. Maybe they are sold or he will sell later? He and I had a few talks before he bought them and I told him just about everything that has been said (in other words) in this thread, before he acquired them. But this forum is about pre-war cards and those certainly fit the bill and seeing them is still cool.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Leon

No need to put words in his mouth John. He never said he is a collector, he said they aren't for sale. Maybe they are sold or he will sell later? He and I had a few talks before he bought them and I told him just about everything that has been said (in other words) in this thread, before he acquired them. But this forum is about pre-war cards and those certainly fit the bill and seeing them is still cool.

Who's this Leon guy, I've never heard of him before?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

No need to put words in his mouth John. He never said he is a collector, he said they aren't for sale. Maybe they are sold or he will sell later?

Kinda like depends on what the meaning of is, is?

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Leon

No need to put words in his mouth John. He never said he is a collector, he said they aren't for sale. Maybe they are sold or he will sell later? He and I had a few talks before he bought them and I told him just about everything that has been said (in other words) in this thread, before he acquired them. But this forum is about pre-war cards and those certainly fit the bill and seeing them is still cool.

Excuse me have I been out of line in this thread Leon? Exactly what was wrong with my response? I would very much like to know.

Also in the future I wont give folks heads up about questionable cards nor should others. We will all just assume you've had offline discussions and have it all under control. How silly of me...

Perhaps I should toss you some cash each month then you would be quick to defend me if I get my feelings hurt.

John

[Leon]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Excuse me have I been out of line in this thread Leon? Exactly what was wrong with my response? I would very much like to know.

Also in the future I wont give folks heads up about questionable cards nor should others. We will all just assume you've had offline discussions and have it all under control. How silly of me...

Perhaps I should toss you some cash each month then you would be quick to defend me if I get my feelings hurt.

John

I merely said you were putting words in his mouth, which you did. I didn't say you were out of line. You said that.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Excuse me have I been out of line in this thread Leon? Exactly what was wrong with my response? I would very much like to know.

Also in the future I wont give folks heads up about questionable cards nor should others. We will all just assume you've had offline discussions and have it all under control. How silly of me...

Perhaps I should toss you some cash each month then you would be quick to defend me if I get my feelings hurt.

John

From my point of view, Leon was just pointing out that Sean never said he was a collector. Reading his website I would find it hard to believe that Sean is a collector:

Originally Posted by baseballcardsingles.com/buying

As an investor it’s also important to remember why one is buying cards. The investment and profit always has to be the goal. Get too strung up with a particular card out of personal want and attachment, and the point of investment disappears. Then a person goes from being disconnected and focused on profit, to being connected and focused on collecting for personal satisfaction. The latter can easily turn a profit into a loss with the illusory justification that the card will still be worth a lot when it is let go. Good investors don’t have those conversations with themselves; they buy and sell vintage baseball cards coldly and dispassionately.

Nothing wrong with Sean, but he makes it clear to me that baseball cards are only an investment to him. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't consider him a collector any more than a stock broker is a collector of stocks.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Leon

I merely said you were putting words in his mouth, which you did. I didn't say you were out of line. You said that.

No but you somehow felt the need to hop in on something as innocent as saying "oh not for sale must be from your collection have a good one". Sure seemed like mama bird coming to the rescue to me for some reason. Which BTW you don't need to do the guy has his army of armed guards Leon I think he can handle little old me.

I agree in the future I will watch how I toss around the "C" word.

Next time I'll say something along these lines...

"Thank you Sean for showing your current or past inventory that is or isn't ready for distribution at this time. I would take sometime to perhaps warn you as dealer before you sell cards that may be questionable but understand that would be a waste of everyone's time because I'm sure you and Leon have handled this offline already."

Slow day Leon?

Cheers,

John

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

From my point of view, Leon was just pointing out that Sean never said he was a collector. Reading his website I would find it hard to believe that Sean is a collector:

Originally Posted by baseballcardsingles.com/buying
"As an investor it’s also important to remember why one is buying cards. The investment and profit always has to be the goal. Get too strung up with a particular card out of personal want and attachment, and the point of investment disappears. Then a person goes from being disconnected and focused on profit, to being connected and focused on collecting for personal satisfaction. The latter can easily turn a profit into a loss with the illusory justification that the card will still be worth a lot when it is let go. Good investors don’t have those conversations with themselves; they buy and sell vintage baseball cards coldly and dispassionately."

Nothing wrong with Sean, but he makes it clear to me that baseball cards are only an investment to him. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't consider him a collector any more than a stock broker is a collector of stocks.

I've read that (from Sean) before, and I find it kind of an odd statement. When you choose to invest in baseball cards, especially when it's spread out over quite a few of them, there has to be somewhat of a passion for the hobby. Perhaps he isn't a collector in terms of building permanent collections, but he's at least a 'temporary' collector. Without the passion, you don't acquire enough knowledge to make the investments work. Just my thoughts - I'm sure there are many here who think they can do what Sean describes, without any passion for the hobby. But I think they are fooling themselves.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Originally Posted by baseballcardsingles.com/buying
As an investor it’s also important to remember why one is buying cards. The investment and profit always has to be the goal. Get too strung up with a particular card out of personal want and attachment, and the point of investment disappears. Then a person goes from being disconnected and focused on profit, to being connected and focused on collecting for personal satisfaction. The latter can easily turn a profit into a loss with the illusory justification that the card will still be worth a lot when it is let go. Good investors don’t have those conversations with themselves; they buy and sell vintage baseball cards coldly and dispassionately.

This made me die a little inside.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

From my point of view, Leon was just pointing out that Sean never said he was a collector. Reading his website I would find it hard to believe that Sean is a collector:


Nothing wrong with Sean, but he makes it clear to me that baseball cards are only an investment to him. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't consider him a collector any more than a stock broker is a collector of stocks.

I have stated and will state again - I do not populate the content of my website. I have a guy that hits on keywords and there are many things I don't agree with, but google rankings come before grammar and proper conversation.

That is besides the point, you hit the nail on the head with your analogy - it is perfect.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I've read that (from Sean) before, and I find it kind of an odd statement. When you choose to invest in baseball cards, especially when it's spread out over quite a few of them, there has to be somewhat of a passion for the hobby. Perhaps he isn't a collector in terms of building permanent collections, but he's at least a 'temporary' collector. Without the passion, you don't acquire enough knowledge to make the investments work. Just my thoughts - I'm sure there are many here who think they can do what Sean describes, without any passion for the hobby. But I think they are fooling themselves.

I do not watch sports. I have no interest in sports or their history. I can go so far to say as the Fergie Jenkins game I have a thread open for (BTW 7 free slots still available - COMPLETELY free, drop me a line if you want to attend) will be the first game I ever go to. I really couldn't care less to be honest. I hope you appreciate the candor.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I do not watch sports. I have no interest in sports or their history. I can go so far to say as the Fergie Jenkins game I have a thread open for (BTW 7 free slots still available - COMPLETELY free, drop me a line if you want to attend) will be the first game I ever go to. I really couldn't care less to be honest. I hope you appreciate the candor.

Yet you bought this extremely esoteric collection of T206's, call it 'Once in a Lifetime' and they are not for sale.

Sure.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I have stated and will state again - I do not populate the content of my website. I have a guy that hits on keywords and there are many things I don't agree with, but google rankings come before grammar and proper conversation.

That is besides the point, you hit the nail on the head with your analogy - it is perfect.

How on earth would that description of investing help Google rankings? Maybe a lot of people do a search for "baseball cards illusory justification"?

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

This made me die a little inside.

+1 on so many levels!

A little less candor probably would have been a better business move, not sure many that have a passion for the hobby would rather do business with someone that literally has no interest in the hobby but to make money than someone that has at least a passing interest in the thing that we choose to do in our spare time. To each there own I suppose!

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

+1 on so many levels!

A little less candor probably would have been a better business move, not sure many that have a passion for the hobby would rather do business with someone that literally has no interest in the hobby but to make money than someone that has at least a passing interest in the thing that we choose to do in our spare time. To each there own I suppose!

I would think it smart to go with the broker who is willing to purchase or middleman a deal on 10% margins than the guy with a passion who needs to make 50% or double up.

To each their own, I suppose.