Hey, pennant guys

[perezfan]

It is a vertical full-sized pennant. Not over sized or 3/4 size. The other known Reds pennant from 1919 is also full-sized, but horizontal.

It's not conclusive, but after so many years of collecting these things, I believe oversized pennants were gone prior to 1919. I think it's a good bet that oversized Major League Baseball pennants were made from the 1900s up until 1917 (perhaps 1918).

If anyone has any evidence to the contrary, please post it!

[perezfan]

I know there's a BST, but thought this would get a better response here...

Does anyone have a nice condition 1969 or 1965 All Star Game Pennant they would sell or trade? Perhaps someone has a duplicate? Neither is all that rare or exotic, but I'd like to complete the ASG pennant run I have going. Just checked eBay, and neither one is currently listed.

I never went after the 1969 version because it looks cheap and mass-produced. It kind of represents the end of the "artistic pennant" era. I never went after the 1965 version because I hate Picture Pennants. But now I regret having 2 holes in the pennant run. Just need 1965 and 1969, if anyone is looking to sell/trade.

Thanks!
Mark

Ps. We are shooting a TSOG Video today, on All Star Game Pennants, to air during All Star Week. I just realized these voids when I pulled them all out... DUH

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

It is a vertical full-sized pennant. Not over sized or 3/4 size. The other known Reds pennant from 1919 is also full-sized, but horizontal.

It's not conclusive, but after so many years of collecting these things, I believe oversized pennants were gone prior to 1919. I think it's a good bet that oversized Major League Baseball pennants were made from the 1900s up until 1917 (perhaps 1918).

If anyone has any evidence to the contrary, please post it!

Yankees cloth 1950s, made by the same mystery company that did the 1955 WS with the forked tip and is also technically oversized.

And of course the 1969 ASCOs which are almost six feet long … better classified as jumbo sized

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Yankees cloth 1950s, made by the same mystery company that did the 1955 WS with the forked tip and is also technically oversized.

And of course the 1969 ASCOs which are almost six feet long … better classified as jumbo sized

Well obviously, I stand corrected on a technical level. And come to think of it, those Hall of Fame Pennants with all the players' busts are oversized too. But in the true spirit of the thing, I was more contemplating when they abandoned the jumbo sizes of the teens, and switched to what we now know as full-sized pennants becoming the norm.

On a side note... those are beauties. And if the Mets is for sale/trade, please drop me a note!

[thetahat]

Yeah I think you are basically correct, there are only a few isolated counter examples. The only dated pennants I’ve seen from the 1920s are all just full-size or smaller.

As for the Mets - thanks! - and will do. I somehow got one that was not faded. Here’s the 1969 dated version, which raises questions since it is sans MLB trademark.

[ooo-ribay]

Greg loves showing off those “jumbo size” pennants. I don’t blame him. I’m just glad there’s not a Giants. I couldn’t stand it.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Greg loves showing off those “jumbo size” pennants. I don’t blame him. I’m just glad there’s not a Giants. I couldn’t stand it.

There may be a Giants! I bought these in two groups, a couple years apart. The person who sold me the Dodgers and Angels claimed that those pennants were displayed at the 1969 ASG in Washington D.C. The Dodgers had bleeding on the spine (which I was able to clean). Turns out that the game was first rained out and rescheduled, which gives some credence to the claim, if the bleeding was caused by the rain. But very far from conclusive, obviously. The other four have grommets in the spine but those two don’t.

I have seen the Twins and the Reds, so I know that eight teams exist. I think it’s likely they were made for all teams, and I’d give an arm for either a Pilots or Phillies.

[murphusa]

Been cleaning out catalogs I have had for over 30 years and found some more interesting pennants

[murphusa]

A few more

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

There may be a Giants! I bought these in two groups, a couple years apart. The person who sold me the Dodgers and Angels claimed that those pennants were displayed at the 1969 ASG in Washington D.C. The Dodgers had bleeding on the spine (which I was able to clean). Turns out that the game was first rained out and rescheduled, which gives some credence to the claim, if the bleeding was caused by the rain. But very far from conclusive, obviously. The other four have grommets in the spine but those two don’t.

I have seen the Twins and the Reds, so I know that eight teams exist. I think it’s likely they were made for all teams, and I’d give an arm for either a Pilots or Phillies.

There probably is a Giants. I just don’t want to see it….unless it’s in my hot, little hands.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by murphusa

A few more

Holy Grail stuff

[bocca001]

Hey Jim- thanks for sharing these pics. I've heard Mark say that there used to be more things like this that came up for sale (although they clearly were not cheap). It's nice to see them.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Hey Jim- thanks for sharing these pics. I've heard Mark say that there used to be more things like this that came up for sale (although they clearly were not cheap). It's nice to see them.

Where’s your latest pickup? Don’t worry…I’m over it.

[661fish]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Yeah I think you are basically correct, there are only a few isolated counter examples. The only dated pennants I’ve seen from the 1920s are all just full-size or smaller.

As for the Mets - thanks! - and will do. I somehow got one that was not faded. Here’s the 1969 dated version, which raises questions since it is sans MLB trademark.

That looks like it was just made yesterday.

[bocca001]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Where’s your latest pickup? Don’t worry…I’m over it.

I'm assuming you mean this one. It's maybe 2/3 size? Or a bit less. Held together with staples.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I'm assuming you mean this one. It's maybe 2/3 size? Or a bit less. Held together with staples.

It’s been on my wantlist for years. A big time Tacoma collector told me I’d have to “back up the Brinks truck” to get his. I told him I would never do that. It doesn’t have a ton of what JR would call “eye appeal.” That said, I would have been all over it if I had seen it before Marc. Good get; very rare.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by 661fish

That looks like it was just made yesterday.

Yep it never saw sunlight, the blue cloth is still very bright. It’s definitely vintage. The question is if it is Trench or not. All other signs point to ‘yes’ but the other Trench 1969 Mets (notably with the roster) have the trademark.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I'm assuming you mean this one. It's maybe 2/3 size? Or a bit less. Held together with staples.

A custom fitted holder is a must for that beauty!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by murphusa

A few more

Jim, the 1924 Washington pennant … if I recall there’s a picture underneath in the catalog that I recall shows a post-series celebration with the pennants on display. I actually think it is my much less appealing version pictured below. If you are able could you post a highest resolution shot of that picture?

Someone did that for me some time ago but it was too blurry. I will also DM you if email is easier.

Thanks for pics!

[bocca001]

Santa Clara's main rival, obtained in a trade. I could never own a Dodgers pennant. Or an Auburn pennant (my grad degree is from Alabama). But for some reason I'm ok with this. I particularly like the blue one.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Jim, the 1924 Washington pennant … if I recall there’s a picture underneath in the catalog that I recall shows a post-series celebration with the pennants on display. I actually think it is my much less appealing version pictured below. If you are able could you post a highest resolution shot of that picture? Someone did that for me some time ago but it was too blurry. I will also DM you if email is easier. Thanks for pics!

Greg, if I'm not mistaken these pennants were hung around the room at the 1925 pennant-winning banquet in D.C., though it could have been the version with WaJo. In either case, the photo of the banquet is included as a double-page panorama in the 1925 Washington World Series program, which I don't have a copy of handy.

[thetahat]

That’s great info Hank, thank you. I have a less detailed photo and although it isn’t clear it kinda looks like the baseball graphic is sans Walter … I think the stronger evidence is the placement of the date underneath the baseball (there’s a noticeable gap, unlike the WJ version).

[Hankphenom]

So it's the 1924 banquet, where the pennants are already anointing them "Champions" prematurely. Perhaps they filled in the circle with WaJo for sale at the ballpark during the series, though one would think more than one of those would have survived if that's the case. And this is the picture that was included in the 1925 program, oddly.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

So it's the 1924 banquet, where the pennants are already anointing them "Champions" prematurely. Perhaps they filled in the circle with WaJo for sale at the ballpark during the series, though one would think more than one of those would have survived if that's the case. And this is the picture that was included in the 1925 program, oddly.

Another oddity is that the seams of the baseball are different on the plain and WJ version. Mine has ‘em horizontal and the Walter version has them vertical.

The WJ version, if I recall, went for more than $10K. It’s a real beauty.

[Hankphenom]

What eye candy those Washington world series pennants are to a D.C. guy like me! And what incredible rarities, with one or two examples of each known, the mind boggles! I'm guessing all those from catalogs came from Kent Feddeman's collection as auctioned off by Legendary about ten years ago. Amazing to see them all pictured here, thanks much to those posting these beauties.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Santa Clara's main rival, obtained in a trade. I could never own a Dodgers pennant. Or an Auburn pennant (my grad degree is from Alabama). But for some reason I'm ok with this. I particularly like the blue one.

You’re out of control! I own 3 non-Giants pennants - 2 Ohio University; one Lotte Orions.

As always, I like the way you photograph your pennants

[Chstrite]

In search of 1964 and 1967 MLB All Star Pennants. Picture provided below

If you have one or both email me at charles.strite@yahoo.com

Thanks

[ChiefBeef]

I can't compete with Greg, but I am real happy with this pickup I just got in the mail. Oldest one I have to date. Condition is well loved, but intact other than the point.

[perezfan]

That's a beauty... Great pickup Randy!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ChiefBeef

I can't compete with Greg, but I am real happy with this pickup I just got in the mail. Oldest one I have to date. Condition is well loved, but intact other than the point.

Randy this is actually very rare, the way “Yankee Stadium” is written. Very cool!

[UKCardGuy]

Nice pennant. I think that layout of the "New York Yankees" text dates it to the 1930s.

[ChiefBeef]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Randy this is actually very rare, the way “Yankee Stadium” is written. Very cool!

I did not know that. My resources in learning about pennants is limited. Can you tell me more?
Thanks

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ChiefBeef

I did not know that. My resources in learning about pennants is limited. Can you tell me more?
Thanks

I don’t know about the way Yankee Stadium is written but I can tell you that graphic was used for a ton of teams from the 1930s through the 1950s. I have six different versions of just the NY Giants, and know of others.

[bocca001]

These took a few weeks to get here, but I'm excited to get them. I saw the Mays first and was rather skeptical that it was real, as opposed to some kind of fantasy piece (with Mays wearing #36). Then I saw the Roy Sievers and figured that it was unlikely that somebody was out there faking stuff for Sievers. So I bought them. Sievers SABR page has one sentence saying that he headlined a team with Willie Mays that traveled to Mexico in 1958 (if anybody knows anything else about this team/tour/games I'd love to hear it, especially if Mays wore #36). I haven't been able to find anything else.

I was able to get the first Mays and the Sievers, but somebody else had already bought the Mays with the MLB team logos. They are about 10 inches long. I think they have a great mid-century look.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by bocca001

These took a few weeks to get here, but I'm excited to get them. I saw the Mays first and was rather skeptical that it was real, as opposed to some kind of fantasy piece (with Mays wearing #36). Then I saw the Roy Sievers and figured that it was unlikely that somebody was out there faking stuff for Sievers. So I bought them. Sievers SABR page has one sentence saying that he headlined a team with Willie Mays that traveled to Mexico in 1958 (if anybody knows anything else about this team/tour/games I'd love to hear it, especially if Mays wore #36). I haven't been able to find anything else.

I was able to get the first Mays and the Sievers, but somebody else had already bought the Mays with the MLB team logos. They are about 10 inches long. I think they have a great mid-century look.

Those are so great! Roy was my guy as a kid in D.C. in the 50s.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Those are so great! Roy was my guy as a kid in D.C. in the 50s.

Hank must be old….like me.

Those are great, Marc, but the best one got away.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Hank must be old….like me.

I prefer "vintage," and so happy to be here!

[Domer05]

Love'em or hate'em ... the Phanatic loved him some pennants!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Love'em or hate'em ... the Phanatic loved him some pennants!

I was 8 and had many of these, having gotten them at the same venue as the PP. God I miss the Vet …

[Domer05]

It's funny that the Phillie pennant, in the Phanatic's hand, featured a rendering of him on it, waving a (the same?) pennant!

Looks like this was the only one from the series to feature a mascot, as this, in lieu of a team logo. Which is odd, given how standardized these had all become by 1978.

[perezfan]

I thought the Phanatic was greener than that. Looks like they turned him grey, to provide more contrast between him and the Astroturf.

It's hard for me to get excited over these mass-produced, boring and completely unimaginative stiff polyester pennants... but they do represent a better time in life.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

It's funny that the Phillie pennant, in the Phanatic's hand, featured a rendering of him on it, waving a (the same?) pennant!

Kinda hard to “wave” those things.

[WillowGrove]

Marc those Mays and Sievers pennants really do have a great mid-century look to them. Congrats! I love seeing stuff/cool looking pennants that I haven't seen in decades of collecting.

[Bumpus Jones]

Reds, White and Blue forever. Happy 4th everyone!

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Bumpus Jones

Reds, White and Blue forever. Happy 4th everyone!

That's a very impressive display Chris.

I'd be worried sick about having those fantastic pennants over my sofa without protection. I just know that someone would spill something on them or use them to wipe their hands :-)

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Bumpus Jones

Reds, White and Blue forever. Happy 4th everyone!

They’re all impressive but that six pennant string across the top is off the charts! Can’t be many of those around.

[perezfan]

That's a mouth-watering pic, Chris.... just insanely cool.

But with my OCD, I'd be worried about the same thing.... hopefully there's a steadfast rule against red wine ever entering that room!

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Bumpus Jones

Reds, White and Blue forever. Happy 4th everyone!

Wow! wonderful items Chris. happy 4th of July. It's a great day to be a Reds fan!

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[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

They’re all impressive but that six pennant string across the top is off the charts! Can’t be many of those around.

+1 Very cool, Chris!

[Bumpus Jones]

Thanks, fellas. Not too worry, they aren't in harms way