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Leon and Terry-- help me avoid disaster and spot fakes.
Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)
Leon and Terry posted in a different thread how they got stuck with fakes/reprints-- an Old Judge and Brunners. Guys, and anyone else with help, I would appreciate if you could describe how the cards differ from authentic examples. It would be great if you could post a scan of any fake/reprint along with an explanation of what makes it unauthentic. I know the board routinely points out scams and fakes on E-Bay, but to those folks who actually ended up with these bad boys, I would like to see 'em and how close they are to the real thing. |
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Posted By: leon
I will post my fake Brunners tonight....if you hold the card in your hand it just doesn't feel right, the cardstock is too "white", and the card has an even sheen to it when you hold it sideways to the light...not good characteristics of a vintage card...best regards |
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Leon and Terry-- help me avoid disaster and spot fakes.
Posted By: runscott
Let's take it a step further. If you all will send me scans of "fake vs real" issues, and the characteristics Todd is asking for, I will write it up in an article format, giving all contributers credit, and distribute - would probably also be a good "board contribution" to VCBC. |
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Posted By: runscott
that apply to multiple issues would also be good - maybe David Rudd could write up something. |
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Leon and Terry-- help me avoid disaster and spot fakes.
Posted By: Andy Baran
This link may be helpful |
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Leon and Terry-- help me avoid disaster and spot fakes.
Posted By: hankron
This applies to online viewing and not in person examination. In person, most counterfeits and reprints are obvious to anyone with experience with the cards. As I've already mentioned before, the collector of early cards or photos should get a blacklight. A blacklight will quickly and easily identify many modern counterfeits due to the bright fluoresence. |
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Posted By: runscott
Pete is certainly the expert, but I think the "Cobb vs Cobb" example is a little bit misleading, though I'm sure not intentional. |
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Leon and Terry-- help me avoid disaster and spot fakes.
Posted By: Bob
<<8) If anyone reading this post ever bids $1,000 in an auction of a Old Judge Cap Anson pictured at a 25 degree angle, with clipped corners described as ‘natural corner wear’ from a 0 feedback seller who claims “May be real, may not be real, I’m no expert” and “sold as is”, I’m will personally come over to your house and smack you.>> |
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Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)
Just wondering if I must have a 40X scope, or will a 12-15x loupe do? Also, does the magnification distort the color of your scan-- I think my Reulbach is a little more purple in hue. Todd |
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Posted By: runscott
Mine is actually darker, but basically the same color - it could be a function of your computer settings, or the ink color in the background could be slightly different. I have had two Reulbachs and they were both the same color. |
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Leon and Terry-- help me avoid disaster and spot fakes.
Posted By: Hankron
Scott, just so you know, you may have fooled everyone else, but you didn't fool everyone. |
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Leon and Terry-- help me avoid disaster and spot fakes.
Posted By: runscott
Please explain. If I said something ignorant, send me an email and I'll correct it. Thanks |
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Leon and Terry-- help me avoid disaster and spot fakes.
Posted By: runscott
So simply say what's on your mind. After all, you are the expert - spit it out. |
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Leon and Terry-- help me avoid disaster and spot fakes.
Posted By: leon
even a low power magnifying glass (4x) will catch the dot pattern in the white borders...also, there is a "shine" to the fake one...and the back is too "white"....hope this helps a little....regards all |
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Posted By: Hankron
For the record, I honestly thought Scott was doing a joke, and if I had thought he was serious I would have kept this whole issue off board. Scott is someone I know and respect, and I wasn't trying to show up anyone. |
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Posted By: fkw
If it helps any, here is a closeup of another real E95 Reulbach. It looks basicly the same, except Scotts is scanned a little lighter. Notice the overprint on the ear in both cards, its almost the same as well. Oh well, very interesting looking at these cards at such a closeup, its new to me. Frank |
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Leon and Terry-- help me avoid disaster and spot fakes.
Posted By: runscott
...to make a fortune from reprinting e95 Ed Reulbach cards. I think whoever did this might have pulled it off if they had left the cards in better condition - but scratching them up, sanding down the corners, and adding very realistic stains was a bad, bad idea. |
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Posted By: Hankron
To illustrate that I'm well aware of the Doctor Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde nature of digital imaging, below is a link to one of my own auctions. The two unaltered images, with obviously different tones, were taken about 10 seconds apart. |
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Posted By: Hankron
Just so there is no confusion in anyone's mind, I have not made any opinion whatsoever on the authenticity or lack thereof of the Reulbach card-- and it shouldn't be interpreted that I am calling it a fake. What happened is that Scott wanted to send me some other items to look at, and I simply suggested that, while he was at it, he should send the Reulbach. I've known Scott for some time, and know that he's smart guy with good judgement of authenticity. |
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Leon and Terry-- help me avoid disaster and spot fakes.
Posted By: Wesley
Do we have a final verdict? |
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Posted By: nolemmings (Todd)
I see a pattern developing (no pun intended). Todd |
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Posted By: runscott
The "hex" print pattern appeared on some e95's, but not all - my Wagner doesn't have it. I don't know when the "hexes" started appearing on cards, but I'm guessing it was very, very close to 1909 since there were a lot of issues that year and some have it and some don't. |
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