How many complete T206 sets are out there?

[mintacular]

Minus the big four (?), how many complete T206 sets exist, and how many potential ones could be pieced together? Thanks for your estimates

[scottglevy]

The key constraining factor on putting complete sets together would be the O'hara and Demmitt cards. Estimates vary on these two....but I tend to think that somewhere around 300-500 of each exist, which would imply that only that number of sets could possibly be created.

I would guess that there are around 25 or so complete sets (but another 20-30 that could be completed with less than 100 cards being added -- some with as few as one or two cards being added).

Of course....just a guess, really.

[alanu]

There are over 20 sets 90% or more complete on the PSA set registry and 2 complete sets of 524.

[E93]

I would guess there are roughly 50-100 sets that have 515+ different. What constitutes a set is debatable. Doyle NY Nat'l and Magie error could arguably be considered not necessary for a basic set, but only for a "master set" that includes error cards. That would be like a 1979 Topps Bump Wills set being complete without the "Rangers" error card (team change corrected early in print run). Of course one could be completely crazy with "master set" and aspire to all possible front/back combos. That would be near impossible, but would be fun to try.
JimB

[Steve D]

By my count, there are 24 sets on the PSA registry, that are within 100 cards of completion (81% or more complete).

There are also 2 complete sets.

Of the 24 non-complete sets that are within 100 cards of completion:

3 sets are 1 card short (two of them are missing only Doyle NY Natl - the third set isn't visible, so can't tell which card is needed)
4 sets are 3 cards short
6 sets are 4 cards short
2 sets are 5 cards short
2 sets are 9 cards short

So that's 17 of the 24 sets are within 9 cards of completion.

Also, regarding the master set, Levi Bleam is working on it. He's at 41% complete on the PSA registry.

Steve

[mintacular]

What about guys with non-graded sets? Are there several dozen of these raw sets stored away? (perhaps in grannies attic? ()

Again, not trying to get a number of 100% COMPLETE sets (due to the limited # of the big 4(?)) but more curious as to 99% done sets out there if that makes sense...

[e107collector]

Does anyone know if someone happens to have the ultimate T206 complete set that includes a Wagner, Plank, Magie error, Doyle NY Natl, O' Hara, Demmitt, and a Ty Cobb w/Cobb back?

Tony

[hunterdutchess]

Here is over 86% of the set for sale if you are looking to get started:

http://sports.ha.com/common/view_ite...8&Lot_No=80369

[Jim VB]

I think using registry numbers to try and extrapolate a total is pretty silly in the case of T206. The mere size of the set makes getting it graded overly expensive.

I think the number of raw, or mostly raw sets is much higher than the guesses I'm seeing here. The only obstacle to putting it together is one's budget. All of the first 524 cards are available, at any given time. A few years ago, I put a set (520/524 cards) together, in less than a year. I remember one member here doing it in less than 6 months.

However, most of my set is in Fair condition. In total, it would probably cost me more to have it graded than I spent on assembling it.

Scott is correct though. If you're trying to guess a number that would be the cap of how many sets could be assembled, start with the numbers of O'Hara and Demmitt cards. I certainly have no data that would contradict Scott's guess, but I would have thought the number was higher. There always seem to be some in circulation and you know there are many squirreled away in binders, in the closets of us "old timers."

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

However, most of my set is in Fair condition. In total, it would probably cost me more to have it graded than I spent on assembling it.

You must have gotten the Wagner at a good price if you have a 524 card set.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

There always seem to be some in circulation and you know there are many squirreled away in binders, in the closets of us "old timers."

I think the correct word is "dinosaur," not "old timer." But if you're going to call yourself that, I think you have to belittle any opinions that don't mirror yours. There are plenty of threads, including a current one, if you need examples.

[E93]

I also think there are many raw or partially raw/non-registry sets out there. I only have HOFs graded in my set and did that reluctantly because I enjoy flipping through the notebook. I filled the HOF holes with reprints when I graded my HOFs.
JimB

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by Mikehealer

You must have gotten the Wagner at a good price if you have a 524 card set.

Thanks for the correction, Mike! I meant
520/524. Sometimes I type too fast and don't proof.

[ruth-gehrig]

Has the number of complete sets increased much since the last post of over a year ago??

[tonyo]

I just skimmed back over this thread and can now add the following:

1. I've reached 515 and expect to get to 518 before long. Avg Fair/good condition.
2. took me 2 years to do it staying within a few price guidelines I set for myself (a certain percentage of a combination of SCD, Beckett, and t206.org vg)
3. I spent more than it would cost to have it graded (a comment to JimVB's post).
4. My personal opinion I would consider Demmit, OHara, Plank, and Wagner part of the set, but could certainly live without the Magie and Doyle.
5. Of those six I may own a Demmit and/or Ohara someday but I doubt it.
6. I can see myself slowly upgrading all my poor and fair cards over the next several years.

[z28jd]

I have the set up to the Magie. Put it together over about 7 years and mostly one by one. I have about 50 or so graded but I've never actually got a card graded myself. I finished it in 2004 I believe, there is a thread somewhere on this board about me finishing the set, if I can find it I'll post it

[yoyot1]

I'm up to 515, most recent one was a Coles a few weeks ago. Still have the Washington Elberfeld and the two Cobb batting cards to go before I'm "done".

[Vegas-guy]

How do you guys buy your raw cards? I've always wanted to do this set in a raw form but I'm afraid of buying raw cards? what if there trimmed a little or altered in some way? Especially the high end cards? do you guys buy them graded and break them out?

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by Vegas-guy

How do you guys buy your raw cards? I've always wanted to do this set in a raw form but I'm afraid of buying raw cards? what if there trimmed a little or altered in some way? Especially the high end cards? do you guys buy them graded and break them out?

In the grade I am working it, it is less of a concern, however, it really is a case of the card speaking to you. Admittedly I think before I popped down the money on a Cobb, I'd have to be buying from a dealer I know...

Honestly I often buy slabbed and crack them.

Our of my 400 + cards, I probably obtained 300 raw. Of the 300, I have a couple of doubts about 2. One is a Cobb Greenback I suspect was a skin and was rebacked...but I paid a very low price comparatively. The other is a scarce variation which is obviously trimmed but I also have some reservations about the color and texture...it had apparently been immersed in some liquid sometime which made it feel oily...I bought it from a dealer who has a reasonably good reputation and was comfortable with the backstory, the lot it was part of and the purchase price, which was about the cost of a common in f-g condition. I intend to upgrade it anyway, it's just a filler.

[Phillies*phan]

I'm at 503 including Demmitt, O'Hara, and Magie. Just some SLer's, Hofers, and some commons left. Hope to finish over the winter. I got most of mine on Ebay, Net54 BST, and Philly card shows. I think my toughest card will be Dahlen-Brooklyn in vg-ex or better(anyone, anyone). Have a look.

http://imageevent.com/philliesphan/d...1&m=16&w=0&p=0

[BleedinBlue]

I'm at 498 right now. It's taken about 3 years to put this much together and I suspect the next 20 cards will take another 3 years. Finding cards is no longer a matter of availability as I've got all the commons and rarer common cards. The cards I need are readily available but cost is more of a prohibitive factor than anything else. I still need 4 SL'ers and 16 HOF'ers including the big ones. After I get to 518 Demmit and O'Hara will join the wantlist and then a miracle will need to occur to get beyond 520.

All cards are graded and I generally buy them that way. I do crack and cross cards on occassion and have had decent results. I've got about 2 dozen cards I intend to upgrade, all cross-overs which failed to cross, with a target grade of VG or better for each card.

The buying frenzy during the first 2 years was quite a rush although my ability to stay within budget was severely challenged. Now that my wantlist is much smaller buying has been greatly curtailed. This lull is giving me time to recover from the first initial spending spree.

[wonkaticket]

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...oklyn-SGC-5-EX

[Phillies*phan]

Thanks, that will do just fine.

[Vegas-guy]

Originally Posted by Phillies*phan

Thanks, that will do just fine.

Good luck!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by BleedinBlue

I'm at 498 right now. It's taken about 3 years to put this much together and I suspect the next 20 cards will take another 3 years. Finding cards is no longer a matter of availability as I've got all the commons and rarer common cards. The cards I need are readily available but cost is more of a prohibitive factor than anything else. I still need 4 SL'ers and 16 HOF'ers including the big ones. After I get to 518 Demmit and O'Hara will join the wantlist and then a miracle will need to occur to get beyond 520.

Very interesting approach to building a set. When at one point I thought I might go for the t206 set, I started by collecting all the HOF'ers first. Every time I've attempted to build a set I took that same approach. The problem with it is that after you have the HOF'ers, it's sort of boring .

[frohme]

It would also be interesting to know the number of other complete "mainstream" sets that have similar characteristics in both the T and E space... E90-1, T205, T207.

Not sure there'd even be agreement on what sets would be considered mainstream, but it would be an interesting parallel thread.

--
Mike

[taborton101]

Hey guys - I'm currently at 514, and have the Demmitt & O'Hara St.L cards graded 2...about 60% are graded by PSA/SGC with average grade about 40/3, with the remaining raw...looking for a reasonably-priced Breitenstein, Cranston, Foster, Kiernan, Schafly, and Shaughnessy...any help is greatly appreciated!...any condition considered!

Also, I've been thinking of putting it up for B/S/T...any thoughts on what this might trade for, or possible range of selling price?...I saw a recent similar partial set of 496 go at the last REA for around $30k...

[BleedinBlue]

Add 1 to the number of t206 sets at 500 cards. I picked up #500 last night (Foster SL). 2 SLers (McCauley & Violat) , 16 HOFers and the Big 6 to go.

[AndyG09]

Congrats on the 500 milestone and best of luck knocking out the rest!

Best,

Andy

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by BleedinBlue

Add 1 to the number of t206 sets at 500 cards. I picked up #500 last night (Foster SL). 2 SLers (McCauley & Violat) , 16 HOFers and the Big 6 to go.

Agreed... congrats on getting to 500!

[tedzan]

Since 1981, I have put together 4 near-complete T206 sets and a complete T206 SOVEREIGN set.

1997......sold my 1st set of 521 cards (with MAGIE) to Barry Sloate.

2004......2nd set of 520 cards (included 35 diff. backs). I broke it up to start an all-PIEDMONT set.

2006......Completed 519 card all-PIEDMONT set......still have it (but sold the MAGIE).

2007......Completed 402 card all-SOVEREIGN set. Added 6 super-prints with SOVEREIGN 460 backs.
.............I continue to eventually complete a master set.

2008......Completed 467 card (no Plank or Wagner) all-SWEET CAPORAL, factory #30 set..............have since sold most of it.


And yes....I'm one of the DINOSAURS on Net54. I started collecting BB cards in 1947 (Bond Bread) - 1952 (Bowman & Topps).
Then, suspended my collecting days till 1977, when I recovered all my BB card collection from my youth. The rest is history.

I admire everyone here who hangs in there for the long-run experience of near completing this set. It is the best way of truly
appreciating the T206 "monster'.


T-Rex TED

[fkw]

very common cards are always tough to put a population number to

Ive always thought/heard estimates that there was about 1,000,000 T206 cards out there....

if true that would be about 2,000 of each pose on average.

But like what was mentioned earlier, the 2 Polar Bear exclusive cards (Demmitt and O'Hara) would limit the sets possible.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by fkw

very common cards are always tough to put a population number too

Ive always thought/heard estimates that there was about 1,000,000 T206 cards out there....

if true that would be about 2,000 of each pose on average.

But like what was mentioned earlier, the 2 Polar Bear exclusive cards (Demmitt and O'Hara) would limit the sets possible.

only 1 million? I would have guessed much higher.