Done buying high end cards

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

Has anyone seen the Blowout page where, allegedly, a former PSA employee altered high grade SI Tiger Woods rookies?

I started a new thread and posted the link but it got moved to the watercooler section.

Here is the link again

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1314067

[Johnny630]

The corruption is so rampant....this is never going to stop....to many people are making money...if and when that stops the fraud and manipulation will slow. Other then that...with people spending money like it’s burning a hole in their pockets along with PSA grading more and more altered cards I see no signs of this slowing or stopping in the near future.

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I started a new thread and posted the link but it got moved to the watercooler section.

Here is the link again

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1314067

It got moved to the Postwar Pre 1980's section. I'm not sure why it didn't stay on the front page.

[wondo]

Originally Posted by buymycards

It got moved to the Postwar Pre 1980's section. I'm not sure why it didn't stay on the front page.

Because the main page is:

Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by wondo

Because the main page is:

Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

this is true some of the time

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by wondo

Because the main page is:

Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Hi John, look at the main page. Most of the threads are in regard to Blowout, PWCC, PSA, and the scandals, including this thread.

Regards, Rick

[Leon]

Originally Posted by buymycards

Hi John, look at the main page. Most of the threads are in regard to Blowout, PWCC, PSA, and the scandals, including this thread.

Regards, Rick

And that is precisely why some get moved. It is called moderation.....I prefer all threads on the front page to be concerning WWII cards and before but that isn't reality. Some Important stuff gets left on the front page because it needs more eyes on it but my preference is cards we collect. Also, the further we get from WWII and forward the more likely something is to get moved. There is no rhyme nor reason as there is no telling what will be posted next. Some of the "slabgate" scandal threads have been moved as they are too numerous.

BTW John W (hey John) is absolutely correct in his above statement.

[jchcollins]

I do mostly postwar and am not able to spend anything approaching a lot even there, but the scandal has made me look back fondly at childhood days when collecting old cards was not only about evaluating minuscule differences between slabs and numbers on flips. Back then, say if there was a Willie Mays card from the 1950's in a shop - it was simply cool that it was an old card. Condition issues were a given; for my own collection I tried to avoid cards with major creases, but that was about it. Dinged corners and off-centered cards didn't make much difference.

Since then and the advent of professional grading, I have seen grading and condition as kind of a "sub-hobby" of mine - because it was something that I had been interested in even as a teenager before the PSA days - how do you really "accurately" grade a card even within certain tolerances - the fact that EX cards should not have creases, NM should be centered better than xx/xx, those kinds of things. So now what I feel like is that this scandal has cast even more confusion and doubt over the accepted grades because of what the doctors have done. There is discussion about trashing the 1-10 system in it's entirety and just going back to some version of Authentic only, or "Authentic - Nice Card" without so much detail and minutiae put into the system of half-points. How do folks feel about this? On the surface this would seem a hard system to buck quickly - just looking at how crazy detailed things got over in the coin hobby and their slabbing - which of course led to it starting here in ours.

Bottom line I will continue to find grading interesting - and I enjoy educating new collectors here and there on forums like this and maybe more so on social media as to the nuances of condition. It does feel like the PWCC mess has cast quite a shadow over even the legit practice of card grading - as it evolved in the hobby from the 1970's on to today.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

I do mostly postwar and am not able to spend anything approaching a lot even there, but the scandal has made me look back fondly at childhood days when collecting old cards was not only about evaluating minuscule differences between slabs and numbers on flips. Back then, say if there was a Willie Mays card from the 1950's in a shop - it was simply cool that it was an old card. Condition issues were a given; for my own collection I tried to avoid cards with major creases, but that was about it. Dinged corners and off-centered cards didn't make much difference.

Since then and the advent of professional grading, I have seen grading and condition as kind of a "sub-hobby" of mine - because it was something that I had been interested in even as a teenager before the PSA days - how do you really "accurately" grade a card even within certain tolerances - the fact that EX cards should not have creases, NM should be centered better than xx/xx, those kinds of things. So now what I feel like is that this scandal has cast even more confusion and doubt over the accepted grades because of what the doctors have done. There is discussion about trashing the 1-10 system in it's entirety and just going back to some version of Authentic only, or "Authentic - Nice Card" without so much detail and minutiae put into the system of half-points. How do folks feel about this? On the surface this would seem a hard system to buck quickly - just looking at how crazy detailed things got over in the coin hobby and their slabbing - which of course led to it starting here in ours.

Bottom line I will continue to find grading interesting - and I enjoy educating new collectors here and there on forums like this and maybe more so on social media as to the nuances of condition. It does feel like the PWCC mess has cast quite a shadow over even the legit practice of card grading - as it evolved in the hobby from the 1970's on to today.

Well said, John.

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