OT: Aaron Hernandez Commits Suicide

[Buythatcard]

Shocking news.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/us/aar...ide/index.html

[Rookiemonster]

Wow this guy can't do anything right

[Joshwesley]

Top 5 gator that I ever saw play at Florida field.


What a waste

[D.P.Johnson]

Al rato vato...

[Snapolit1]

People are somehow always shocked to learn that many of then men who excel in the extremely violent sport of football are not the most well adjusted rational folks.

Hernandez's pre-draft scouting report:

“Self-esteem is quite low; not well-adjusted emotionally, not happy, moods unpredictable, not stable, doesn’t take much to set him off, but not an especially jumpy guy,” the scout read.

Patriots probably found that to be a glowing report.

[Bpm0014]

F him. I read somewhere he may have killed upwards of 5 people in his life. May he rot in hell.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

F him. I read somewhere he may have killed upwards of 5 people in his life. May he rot in hell.

You must not be on Twitter. Conspiracy theories off and running. Beat double murder rap and was going to get sprung at some point. Very fishy stuff. Amazing how much sympathy people have for this guy.

[iwantitiwinit]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

You must not be on Twitter. Conspiracy theories off and running. Beat double murder rap and was going to get sprung at some point. Very fishy stuff. Amazing how much sympathy people have for this guy.

He was serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole, how was he going to get sprung?

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He was serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole, how was he going to get sprung?

Believe he was appealing the first conviction.

I'm not saying it's rational thought . . . just how the public mind works these days. Why look at the simple fact that some murderer hung himself if you can construct some wild ass theory that's a lot more interesting.

[packs]

Maybe this was the reason he asked for his daughter to come to the court the other day.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Believe he was appealing the first conviction.

I'm not saying it's rational thought . . . just how the public mind works these days. Why look at the simple fact that some murderer hung himself if you can construct some wild ass theory that's a lot more interesting.

Anyone can appeal anything, he was not going to get sprung at some point. I agree, this seems pretty straightforward.

[KMayUSA6060]

He spared people their tax dollars to house and feed him for life. He's scum. Good riddance.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

People are somehow always shocked to learn that many of then men who excel in the extremely violent sport of football are not the most well adjusted rational folks.

I think any large group of people will have a few bad seeds. I don't think football is a logical precursor.

For a Hernandez there is a Julio Machado (who had a Swiss cheese alibi),for a Ray Rice there is a Milton Bradley. Bad people just exist and this was one especially bad person.

I hope there is some money left in the estate for the families of the victims.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I think any large group of people will have a few bad seeds. I don't think football is a logical precursor.

For a Hernandez there is a Julio Machado (who had a Swiss cheese alibi),for a Ray Rice there is a Milton Bradley. Bad people just exist and this was one especially bad person.

I hope there is some money left in the estate for the families of the victims.

... and his daughter. Who is going to have this to carry around for the rest of her life. I haven't been following the trials. Hopefully the mother is a good person. (As compared to him who wouldn't be.)

[ramram]

And as far as history is concerned, due to a glitch in Massachusetts law, he will now go down as innocent of the murder he was convicted of.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...f:nbcnews:text

[Marckus99]

I wish I could have killed him.
No joke.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by ramram

And as far as history is concerned, due to a glitch in Massachusetts law, he will now go down as innocent of the murder he was convicted of.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...f:nbcnews:text

I just read that before getting on the board today. Pretty strange stuff.

Steve B

[pclpads]

To quote former VP Cheney: "So?"

[DHogan]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Amazing how much sympathy people have for this guy.

None here.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

Wow this guy can't do anything right

It sounds like in the end he got it right. He is dead, and now innocent. Likely a motive if you ask me.

[clydepepper]

What pisses me off about this is that his lawyer came out with a statement implying that he would never had committed suicide, even though there were a number of things jammed up against the cell door - from the inside - keeping anyone from stopping him from what he decided to do.

Isn't it time for him and all those who believed in Hernandez to finally admit that they really did not know him as well as they thought?

[58pinson]

AMF. And I don't mean adios my friend!

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I think someone said in a movie once, "Pantangeli's small potatoes."

I live for the day that those two freaks that did that home invasion in Connecticut a few years ago are found dead in their cells - and not from hanging.

[Snapolit1]

Killed some hard working dude who accidentally bumped into him at a club. Unreal. No tears shed here that this guy is off the earth.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Killed some hard working dude who accidentally bumped into him at a club. Unreal. No tears shed here that this guy is off the earth.

Wow. The court of public opinion's lack of faith in the judicial system can be breathtaking sometimes.

[Snapolit1]

Don't know what that last comment means. He was convicted of first degree murder, was he not? Maybe I'm confusing the facts of what he was convicted of. And just because someone was not convicted of a crime does not mean he didn't do it. It means his guilt could not be established by the State beyond a reasonable doubt. See OJ Simpson.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Don't know what that last comment means. He was convicted of first degree murder, was he not?

The first murder charge, yes. The second, where the drink spilling occurred, he was just acquitted on.

[mark evans]

Trash. Glad to see he's gone.

[bmattioli]

Just another thug.. See Ya..

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I think any large group of people will have a few bad seeds. I don't think football is a logical precursor.

For a Hernandez there is a Julio Machado (who had a Swiss cheese alibi),for a Ray Rice there is a Milton Bradley. Bad people just exist and this was one especially bad person.

I hope there is some money left in the estate for the families of the victims.

He could of written a book about his life and made money for his family. He woldnt be allowed to profit of a crime, but he could talk about the allegations and his side of story around the trial that he won.

He still would of had visitation with his daughter....not sure why he did what he did

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Don't know what that last comment means. He was convicted of first degree murder, was he not? Maybe I'm confusing the facts of what he was convicted of. And just because someone was not convicted of a crime does not mean he didn't do it. It means his guilt could not be established by the State beyond a reasonable doubt. See OJ Simpson.

However there appeared to be a lot more doubt on that second case versus the OJ case in terms of whether a guilty verdict was expected.

I know i would of been shocked that he would of been found guilty in that second murder trial considering the terrible witnesses involved etc. The OJ case to me it was more shocking of a not guilty verdict even though not totally shocking. I think you cant compare those two cases.

[HercDriver]

A gain for society. They should have more sheets in prison, with hooks from the ceiling and how-to videos. I grew up in Chicago and it makes me sick to see the scum that kill innocent people.

[conor912]

Would "have" been, not would "of" been. Consider this a grammer lesson from my third margarita.

And a bunch of smiley faces so you know I'm breaking balls and not (purposely) being a dick

[wondo]

Aaron Hernandez was a bad man. Why? Who knows. He comes from a middle class athletic family; perhaps too much was thrust upon him. Perhaps he felt entitled, invincible. Perhaps he had a screw loose. I certainly do not know. What I do know is that he was convicted of murder and, therefore, the lowest of human beings. It is pathetic that we, myself included, stoop to discuss him because of his athletic prowess. He did us a favor. In my advanced years I've come to have a distaste for the death penalty. Anything but 100% certainty taints the punishment - we ain't at 100%. I feel no remorse, no vindication with Hernandez's apparent suicide. May the families and victims somehow find peace.

[Bpm0014]

Wow. The court of public opinion's lack of faith in the judicial system can be breathtaking sometimes.

You're right. Killing 1 innocent person is so much better than killing 3 (or possible 4 or 5 they are saying?). Good riddance you waste of life.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by conor912

Wow. The court of public opinion's lack of faith in the judicial system can be breathtaking sometimes.

Yes but it has been well earned.

I feel sorry for everyone involved. No matter how bad someone is there are people that loved them and will miss them dearly.

[packs]

Was reading today about how Lloyd's family won't be able to pursue civil judgments against his estate because he's technically innocent in the eyes of the law. This country's legal system really is something else. I remember the case of the Norfolk Four, four guys who were convicted of a crime they didn't commit and were later pardoned for. For years after one of the men got out he was forced to register as a sex offender even though another man had confessed to the crime the court convicted him of. The system's excuse was that because he had served a full sentence he wasn't eligible for exoneration. It took a full pardon from the state before he was allowed to stop registering as a sex offender for a crime another man confessed to.

[Jason]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Yes but it has been well earned.

I feel sorry for everyone involved. No matter how bad someone is there are people that loved them and will miss them dearly.

I agree with you Ben. They consequences of ones actions are felt by family maybe more than the individual themselves.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Wow. The court of public opinion's lack of faith in the judicial system can be breathtaking sometimes.

You're right. Killing 1 innocent person is so much better than killing 3 (or possible 4 or 5 they are saying?). Good riddance you waste of life.

My comment was based on some confused facts that were later clarified. Hernandez was a bad dude and he did the world a favor yesterday. I do feel bad for Lloyd's family who is going to get screwed financially now. That's just not right and it makes me wonder if this wasn't Hernandez's plan all along....If/when acquitted on the double murder, kill himself while other case was under appeal so he would be exonerated and his family could keep his money. Why else go to the trouble of that entire trial just to hang yourself 2 days later?.....But who knows.

And yes, killing 1 person IS way better than killing 3, 4 or 5.

[nolemmings]

Why is it that people believe Lloyd's family is screwed financially now? Hernandez did not die an innocent man. He died unconvicted--there is a huge difference.

Frankly, even had he been acquiitted, he could still be found liable in a civil action--ask O.J.

[packs]

I'm not a lawyer but does the defendant being dead factor into a civil wrongful death suit? OJ was very much alive for his.

[nolemmings]

You won't be able to get incriminating testimony from the defendant but you still have all the other evidence, including witness testimony, and the burden of proof is not beyond a reasonable doubt but rather preponderance of the evidence. Sure a final conviction would have made it a slam dunk but unless there's something strange about Mass law the civil case can still proceed, although I suppose the defendant will have to be changed to the estate of Aaron Hernandez.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

You won't be able to get incriminating testimony from the defendant but you still have all the other evidence, including witness testimony, and the burden of proof is not beyond a reasonable doubt but rather preponderance of the evidence. Sure a final conviction would have made it a slam dunk but unless there's something strange about Mass law the civil case can still proceed, although I suppose the defendant will have to be changed to the estate of Aaron Hernandez.

Never underestimate the strangeness of MA law. Last I checked it was still illegal to sell alcohol on Sundays ☺️

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

What pisses me off about this is that his lawyer came out with a statement implying that he would never had committed suicide, even though there were a number of things jammed up against the cell door - from the inside - keeping anyone from stopping him from what he decided to do.

Isn't it time for him and all those who believed in Hernandez to finally admit that they really did not know him as well as they thought?

Guilty or not I'm not buying that this was a suicide. It seems just as likely that the number of things jammed up against the door were staged to help someone else get away with murder.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Why is it that people believe Lloyd's family is screwed financially now? Hernandez did not die an innocent man. He died unconvicted--there is a huge difference.

Frankly, even had he been acquiitted, he could still be found liable in a civil action--ask O.J.

Irrespective of his suicide, I'm not sure Hernandez had much left in the way of assets. Those legal bills add up fast.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Guilty or not I'm not buying that this was a suicide. It seems just as likely that the number of things jammed up against the door were staged to help someone else get away with murder.

The items were, reportedly, jammed up against the door on the INSIDE and he was in a single person cell...come on Sherlock...think!

[packs]

I don't really understand the conspiracy theories either. I mean, this guy was HUGE. It would take more than one person to subdue him enough to hang him and I don't hear anyone reporting any external injuries on him.

[drcy]

Always expect conspiracy theories.

I remember when a collector showed me an original item he'd won at auction that he was worried was a fake. He brought up all these details, which I said weren't a problem. I finally said "You're just going to have to accept the fact that it's authentic."

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

The items were, reportedly, jammed up against the door on the INSIDE and he was in a single person cell...come on Sherlock...think!

Don't let the facts get in the way of baseless speculation now.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

The items were, reportedly, jammed up against the door on the INSIDE and he was in a single person cell...come on Sherlock...think!

Who reported that? A prison official? Has anyone seen proof of what was jammed up against the door, or that only Hernandez could have done it? If that has been released I haven't seen it. Until then I will have my doubts. If nothing else the timing alone is suspicious.