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So you can call me a tortoise flipper if you choose. Hare flippers who list before their mail is delivered, particularly when some form of deceit or collusion is involved in their purchase from me (and this can happen here on good ol' Net 54), rankle me as well though. I doubt that this thread will generate a list though, but I have one.
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Honest Frank that story I told you to get a better price was true. That T206 Jim Scott is being displayed nicely at the place I instantly flipped it to.
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Clarification
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I fully accept the principals of capitalism. And I understand that every card purchased will at some point most likely be resold either by the buyer or their heirs. Collecting focuses change. Financial situations change. People upgrade. I get it. All of which misses the point of my question. In this case a card was relisted in eBay within days of being offered here. Probably the same day it arrived in the mail. So clearly this is an opportunity for somebody to make a buck. When I sell I PREFER that the buyer want the card, not the profit. I don't sell often. This is not a business for me. When I sell here I generally list for 10-20% below eBay to account for fees I won't be paying. When I get several I'll take it responses I'd prefer to skip over those looking to make a buck. It's an imperfect request. As for the card in question, if the net54 seller had asked $100 more for the card I might own it today because there might not have been enough profit for a flipper to go after. He didn't. Somebody got a GREAT deal. And I continue to search for that card. I'll get it. Just not this week or from this eBay seller. Last edited by BleedinBlue; 07-15-2017 at 11:00 AM. |
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I don't think publicly calling out members for buying then reselling a card is appropriate at all. Reneging on a deal or committing some sort of fraud is one thing. I would have no problem creating a list of buyers or sellers who actually did something wrong in a transaction. This doesn't qualify in my opinion.
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Fully in agreement with these statements. I believe it to be poor form to be selective about who you are selling to for the above reasons. If I buy card A, card A now belongs to me. Thus, wouldn't I have the privilege of doing whatever I would like to with it? NJ Dunkin Last edited by njdunkin1; 07-15-2017 at 11:56 AM. Reason: name added |
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Gently just trying to face the facts. If you are unwilling to sell to "flippers", where do you draw the line? Who qualifies as a flipper?
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I apologize if it came off harsh, it was nothing personal. Take care. Brent |
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The flipping thing doesn't bother me. I think many of us do it at least a little.
I don't sell much, especially older stuff where I don't have extra copies of a card. But with newer stuff I have extras, sometimes loads of them. Having sold at Shows, flea markets, ebay, here, and directly to dealers, overall, and I know this will be unusual, I prefer selling to dealers. I've never had it be a difficult process. I have these cards can you use any of them? Yes, this one, but I can only pay x for it. Ok, that's fine. If there's negotiation, it's very brief, "I can pay 50" "How about 55?" " No, I can only do 50" or "sure that's not much more." OR sorry, I can't go that low. (Never actually happened, probably because most direct single card sales are likely almost pre-sold so the offer is decent.) I also enjoy some selling to collectors, but some make the process as drawn out and difficult as possible. "your card is horrible, but I really want/ need it because......so I'll pay you 10%" Umm....no thanks. I will say that almost every sale here has been the better sort. Steve B |
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I for one am grateful to the net54 flippers who secure cards from major auctions and then offer the opportunity to buy them at a 30% markup within a week of the auction ending.
FLIPPERS FOREVER!!!!!! |
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PS If you gave someone a break on price in reliance on a lie, then that's another matter.
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Let me give you a "show equivalent" -- I will use Billy's name here but that is only because we know Leon here and not most of the local DFW
if I have a card at a show for $50 and Billy comes up to me and buys said card for $50 with the design of re-selling for a profit. I basically have two choices 1) Sell to Billy at MY Stated price and it's not my issue at that point. My only issue is to get my price which I have done so 2) Refuse to sell to Billy, which is my right, because I know if he is buying the card I am too cheap or he can get more. I'm not a big fan of this because IMHO it's morally wrong but I can do that if I wish 3) Somewhere in the middle depending on how you feel Rich
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To the OP.....whoever sold you your card in question was a "flipper". If no one bought or sold any cards from/to people who were flippers, there would be no transactions taking place, because we are ALL FLIPPERS! Food for though......
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Exactly what I was thinking. |
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As most have said, I think if he purchased the card at the sellers price he can do what he wants...IT'S HIS! Also remember, it's not a "flip" until it is sold.
I've listed many cards on eBay from my PC at a high price because they're not for sale...but can be bought. |
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Comical. Just flat out comical.
While we're busy making stupid lists, I'm gonna make my own. Who here is against flippers but won't double my salary so I can afford more of the cards I want? To the OP, I understand your goal is to not deal with flippers. That is 100% your choice. But to make a thread because you lost out on a card you wanted is ridiculous, especially when the card is again available for sale, regardless of the markup from the original listing. You're choosing not to reach out to the seller.
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Guess I'm in the minority here but I agree with the OP.
This type of action goes against the spirit of the board, if everybody behaved like a 'flipper' then nobody would offer items in B/S/T at community friendly/generous prices and would go straight to eBay themselves to sell for maximum reward. Not seeing the item currently up for sale in eBay so maybe the 'flipper' recognized he did something wrong and/or is feeling remorse? |
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It was once in my case, though it was a girlfriend and not a wife. Just as angry, though.
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I wouldn't pretend to speak for the OP or anyone else, but I can understand a seller preferring to sell to a fellow collector within a loose community of collectors who, presumably, expects to keep the card for the foreseeable future.
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Flipping
Good luck. I would guess that most of us buy and sell to essentially fund part of our hobby collection. Certainly I do and have sold to many people who buy here and list on ebay.
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I can personally say that the T206 cards I buy are for my personal set and would only sell if I was upgrading. I sometimes mention that a card purchase is for my personal set. Sometimes I get a break on the price. As far as "card flippers" here on Net54, I've sold many of my lower grade duplicates to them at a very fair price. Yes, I do see those cards listed on ebay for even double what I sold it for but those cards could stay listed on ebay for a year before the right buyer comes along. The "card flipper" deserves the profit for the wait and the fees. I also buy from the flippers and always feel I get a fair price or better. I even get contacted by them when something comes along that they know I'm interested in. These "card flippers" I also refer to them as friends, collecting buddies, friendly competition, and lastly Net54 family. Everyone misses out on a great deal. Just take a look at successful sold listings on T206's on ebay. There are plenty of missed deals to keep kicking yourself over. It's a matter of the right place, right time kinda thing. Luckly Tris Speaker Piedmont is a common so another will come along at a fair price again at some point.
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"As for the card in question, if the net54 seller had asked $100 more for the card I might own it today because there might not have been enough profit for a flipper to go after. He didn't. Somebody got a GREAT deal. And I continue to search for that card. I'll get it. Just not this week or from this eBay seller."
The guy who bought here and is selling on eBay is obviously a member. If you were willing to pay an extra $100, then offer it DIRECTLY TO HIM ON N54. He saves on ebay fees and makes a$100 profit. Not sure he would be too anxious to help you out after you started this thread, but it's worth a shot. Last edited by orly57; 07-15-2017 at 01:21 PM. |
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Selling cards
99% of the time a card is sold because the seller needs money.
So who gives a crap what the fate of the sold card is as long as you get the price you accepted. I don't get this post, it's kind of comical to me. The things are cardboard, a commodity. Everything in life has a price, does it matter if it's 5 minutes after receiving the item in the mail or 5 years later? There are enough things in this world to worry about. Wondering what happens to a card after you sell it should not be one of them. |
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Anytime I've sold a card and gotten a price I was happy with, I don't really care if the the new owner flips it or wipes his ass with it. It's his to do with as he wishes. This is akin to selling a '52T Mantle 20 years ago for a fraction of what one would sell for today, and now crying in your beer cuz you didn't get the same price. PLEASE!
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I don't mean no disrespect, but this whole thread is ridiculous. If you are going to blast people for making a profit on cards, you might as well go after Rob Lifson, Bill Mastro, Levi Bleam, yepbg, Lee Behrens, every Ebay seller on Ebay, Joe Orlando, etc......The list would be never ending.
The only problem I would agree with was if someone gave you a sob story "This is for my son.,.....I am handicapped.......He is my favorite player", etc, to the point that you are losing money on the card, and the person winds up "flipping" it as soon as it is "in hand". Other than that, what you are saying defeats the very purpose of being in the "business"....you might as well insist that all the card shows close down as well, and have Leon kill this forum. Last edited by bobbyw8469; 07-15-2017 at 02:48 PM. |
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First of all, there are not that many flippable cards here on Net54, I check the BST daily. The sellers who do offer such seem to list again, so I assume they like their sales price and probably don't care who their buyer is. On the selling end, once you have a few deals where you lower the price for a buyer that says "It's going to my private collection" and find the card on eBay the next day, then you realize it's 50/50 (probably less) they mean it. I once read that members should not post in the monthly pick-up thread if they plan on selling quickly. Is that good enough for you?
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If anyone feels they can buy one of my cards and instantly make a profit on ebay feel free. I'm sure it's happened once or twice before. Like most members here there are a couple of cards I've sold that I'd love to buy back.
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I have no problem with anyone buying something on the board and then flipping it on Ebay, through an auction house, or even listing it for sale on the board again once they receive it. I know I've done it several times and I'm sure I'll do it again in the future.
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I have received some nice deals on this board while I have built my collection. Without fail, I am told by the seller (normally 70+ looking to pare down as the kids have no interest and he doesn't want to burden the wife) that they want to sell to a collector vs someone will just flip them. I have tried before to sell at a decent price looking to help in similar fashion. This has been usually met with additional haggling, someone claiming shipping issues and asking for a "partial refund" even after I offer to take it back 100% and I would pay shipping back, and then seeing the same cards on eBay at the price I could have charged anyway. It is the reason why I now sit in hundreds of duplicates of stars that I would just as soon just let sit in the safe versus put them on here and deal with any of the above. I am more than happy to help anyone with their collection and have given cards away on more than one occasion. And I would rather do that than have someone build their profit on my back. If that is the case, I would just as well post it on eBay or consign. To each their own and it probably goes back to my horror story at 8 years old and getting taken advantage of by a dealer but to say that I don't enjoy the horse trading component of the hobby is an understatement
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