T204 TTT's

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

As many of you know I have been working on T204's for a long time and while I am still trying to upgrade it is now a slow and painfully expensive process. My son and I hope to have T204 website up in 2 months or so and I will probably get some content help from Scott Brockelman. What I would like to ask the board for help with is compliling a list of T204 TTT's. As a starting point Scott and I have shared our lists of holdings as well a our lists of seen, but not obtained TTT's. The list is below. If anyone has or has seen other T204's with TTT backs, please let me know what other cards you have or have seen and scans would be great. Thanks

Anderson, J. Ball, Bancroft, Beebe, Bransfield, Brown, Burchell, Burkett, Chance, Cheech, J. Collins, Criger, Dineen, Donahue, Donlin, Donovan, Dorner, Ferris, Fromme, Gessler, Griffith, Hartzell, Hemphill, Hobitzel, Howell, Huggins, Johnson, Jones, Karger, Lord, Lush, McAleer, McConnell, McIntyre, McLean, Moran, Murname, O'Leary, Pelty, Powell, Schaefer, Schlei, Schulte, Sebring, Stahl, Tenny, Wagner, Wallace.

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

I'll try a bump to see if I can find any new viewers - still looking for any info board members have on TTT's

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Posted By: Ben

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Posted By: Joe P.

Here's to your Quest.

Don Quijote de La Mancha

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Cant be any help Peter but ill bump the thread by saying if anyone finds a Tom Reilly TTT back ill pay more for it than any sane person would be willing to. Id like to get a TTT back but id like to keep my T204 collection as one happy family

A little known fact about T204 Tom Reilly cards is if they outnumber other T204 cards they will actually eat it(them) when its not looking.I found that out the hard way

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

Between the TTT's that Scott and I have and ones that we know of and the duplicates we know a standard deviation indicates that there are likely 53 cards with TTT backs. The number of cards is likely related to the way the cards were printed. The 121 cards without the 6 known square bordered cards could have been printed in a single sheet of 121 cards (22" x 27-1/2") or two sheets of 55 cards (10" x 27-1/2" or (12-1/2" x 22") and 66 cards (12 x 27-1/2" or 15" x 22") The fronts of all TTT backs are the same as the fronts of the corresponding Ramly backs. The six known players with square bordered cards all have cards with TTT backs. There is suposidly also a Howard square bordered card, but Scott and I are sceptical that this card exists. Howard does not have a known TTT back.

Contradicting the two sheet printing theory is lot # 614 in the November 1998 Masto auction. That lot had 41 high braded SGC "oversized" high grade cards cut from an 80 card sheet that Frank Nagy bought at a show in New York in the 1970's. I have a Plank card that I beleve is from this sheet it is very oversized at 2-1/16+ x 2-9/16+. I have tried to get this card graded by Both PSA and SGC and it has been regected as "evid/trim". As I understand it SGC now wishes that they had not graded these cards. The 80 card sheet could have been cut from a 121 card sheet. I think that it is likely thet the 80 card sheet was some kind of a printers test with much greater spacing between the immages.

Anyway much to be determined any info welcome.

Peter

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Posted By: val lewis

Im not much help to you but I am looking for the slim sallee 204 very bad. Any ideas

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

We have a Val Lewis and a Hal Lewis?

Intersting

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Posted By: Paul

Just curious -- are the TTTs rarer than the blank backs?

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Posted By: Bruce Babcock

My only TTT back is Hoblitzell.

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Posted By: Rich Rubin

I also have a Coakley TTT.

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

Rich, your Coakley adds one to the list which is now at 49. Bruce your Hobitzel looks much better than the one that Scott has which he describes as Fair/Good. Ben your now missing Jones will not get by me and I will find it if it gets out there. Joe your Lord is only the second one that I know of - Scott has the other. Leon your Bancroft is looking for a trade to Florida and I know Criger is going to like Texas.

On the question of rareness in relation to black backs there are two types of blank backs to discuss. The first are the square bordered cards which I believe have populations of 10 to 15 with the exception of Anderson (3), but because the front of the card is very different they are more valuable. The second are blank backs on regular cards - these seem to have some that are thin like they have been skinned of a layer of paper and the others seem to be full thickness I have about 5 of these cards and they match up pretty well with the square borders cards and may be test cards as were the square bordered cards. Scott knows much more about this than I. As for the TTT's I don't know of any cards with a population over 6, but since the grading companies don't keep track of the TTT backs the population is hard to know, but they are rare. Since there now at least 49 cards known with TTT backs the total population of TTT backs exceeds that of the blanks backs, but on a card by card basis I think they are about equally rare.