scam alert: fake psa cards from ebay seller "cardregistry"

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

http://www.network54.com/Forum/15365...Post-war+board

'...PSA case to china and had hundreds of thousands reproduced for almost nothing.'

This was 8+ years ago. I mean, you have been here since 2009 and have never heard of fake and/or tampered-with PSA slabs by the thousands.

Then why in your view hasn't the market taken a hit if this is a well known fact for years? Quite to the contrary, the mega cards are in an epic upswing, no?

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Then why in your view hasn't the market taken a hit if this is a well known fact for years? Quite to the contrary, the mega cards are in an epic upswing, no?

I have been talking about "future" in all my posts. The upswing you speak of is great for now, but what about when the severity of the problem starts to settle-in to mainstream hive-mind. You think it will always stay a non-mainstream issue? The day it becomes main-stream, this bubble will pop and there will be many left holding the bill. And it could all be avoided if PSA simply created a tamper-proof/fake-proof slab. I mean why wouldn't they want to protect their buyers? Isn't that the entire point of TPGs, to protect consumers? This issue seems to be the exact opposite of that. No protection whatsoever. No safety.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

I have been talking about "future" in all my posts. The upswing you speak of is great for now, but what about when the severity of the problem starts to settle-in to mainstream hive-mind. You think it will always stay a non-mainstream issue? The day it becomes main-stream, this bubble will pop and there will be many left holding the bill. And it could all be avoided if PSA simply created a tamper-proof/fake-proof slab.

PSA would also have to prevent bad cards from simply being reholdered. I am not sure what level of scrutiny cards have received to date which have been sent in for the new improved holder.

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

PSA would also have to prevent bad cards from simply being reholdered. I am not sure what level of scrutiny cards have received to date which have been sent in for the new improved holder.

Good point. Even more reason to be weary, IMO. Nothing is safe at this point. They should have had real slabs a long time ago.

[mrcardfan]

the new holder PSA came out with in 2014 is suppose to be tamper proof. its harder to get apart then a BGS slab. only way to open a new PSA holder is to completely destroy the holder. I seriously doubt this scam artist that's doing this can reseal a new PSA holder with it looking like bobs 67 mantle. I am pretty confident buying expensive cards in the newer PSA holders.

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by mrcardfan

the new holder PSA came out with in 2014 is suppose to be tamper proof. its harder to get apart then a BGS slab. only way to open a new PSA holder is to completely destroy the holder. I seriously doubt this scam artist that's doing this can reseal a new PSA holder with it looking like bobs 67 mantle. I am pretty confident buying expensive cards in the newer PSA holders.

They may be harder to crack and reseal, but it seems like they could be faked, like the old slabs.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by mrcardfan

the new holder PSA came out with in 2014 is suppose to be tamper proof. its harder to get apart then a BGS slab. only way to open a new PSA holder is to completely destroy the holder. I seriously doubt this scam artist that's doing this can reseal a new PSA holder with it looking like bobs 67 mantle. I am pretty confident buying expensive cards in the newer PSA holders.

So explain the PSA 8 Mantle pulled down from Goodwin?

[mrcardfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So explain the PSA 8 Mantle pulled down from Goodwin?

maybe their was issue with the card a mistake by PSA only my guess. holder and card look good from the scan

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

I have been talking about "future" in all my posts. The upswing you speak of is great for now, but what about when the severity of the problem starts to settle-in to mainstream hive-mind. You think it will always stay a non-mainstream issue? The day it becomes main-stream, this bubble will pop and there will be many left holding the bill. And it could all be avoided if PSA simply created a tamper-proof/fake-proof slab. I mean why wouldn't they want to protect their buyers? Isn't that the entire point of TPGs, to protect consumers? This issue seems to be the exact opposite of that. No protection whatsoever. No safety.

I hear what you're saying and don't disagree. However, your tone against PSA is ultra aggressive, and your tone for BGS is very supportive, which makes me question your neutrality in this matter. Please clear the air for me because I do enjoy reading your thoughts on this matter; are you in any way associated with BGS or any other TPG's?

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I hear what you're saying and don't disagree. However, your tone against PSA is ultra aggressive, and your tone for BGS is very supportive, which makes me question your neutrality in this matter. Please clear the air for me because I do enjoy reading your thoughts on this matter; are you in any way associated with BGS or any other TPG's?

Heck no. I have no affiliation or association with anything or anyone but myself. I'm just an opinionated collector. The only reason I'm using BGS as an antithesis to PSA is because their slabs are basically the only ones on the market that are tamper-proof and fake-proof. To me, in the future, that will be MORE important than card grades. As I have stated, if the slab can be compromised (faked or resealed) in any way, what good is a grade at all. The aggression towards PSA is because they could have done something about this a decade or more ago when they first found that their slabs could be compromised. In the business of buyer protection/safety, you would think that un-compromisable slabs would be numero uno.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's all pretty ironic as the original impetus for third party grading, supposedly, was the rampant fraud in the 80s and early 90s.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's all pretty ironic as the original impetus for third party grading, supposedly, was the rampant fraud in the 80s and early 90s.

the guy that consigned that PSA 8, if he paid 20k for the card from a guy on craigslist then its no shocker

[panamamyers]

Aren't we nearing an inevitable end to this hobby as we know it.
With 3d printers as they are, how long before people will be able to replicate any and every thing?
Who can't see a future in 25 years where a person can duplicate a 52 mantle that would have no physical differences whether it was real or 3d printed?