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Old 06-05-2018, 01:37 PM
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One question I have regarding the process of grading a card via scanning...

Pre-War cards, particularly tobacco cards, tend to have ink errors and/or stamps. How will marks be detected vs. printing errors, and how will the grade be affected?
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One question I have regarding the process of grading a card via scanning...

Pre-War cards, particularly tobacco cards, tend to have ink errors and/or stamps. How will marks be detected vs. printing errors, and how will the grade be affected?
I am not involved, but I would assume the program would know the ink colors used and be able to distinguish between ink from the printing process vs ink that was added later.
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Old 06-05-2018, 02:54 PM
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I confess I haven't studied the patent. Do these guys actually have a machine that can grade a card which they have tested, or is it just a design?
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Old 06-05-2018, 03:03 PM
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One question I have regarding the process of grading a card via scanning...

Pre-War cards, particularly tobacco cards, tend to have ink errors and/or stamps. How will marks be detected vs. printing errors, and how will the grade be affected?
I would assume the digital images of prior cards would be saved for comparison. Doing this they could do something completely amazing for the hobby.

Imagine SGC using there 100 point system to the fullest, having a T206 Cobb graded SGC 5.3 while another graded 5.8. Regrades would be rolling in and NO MORE DARN STICKERS!!.

Just my opinion: have two thinner gaskets with the card sealed in a nice sleeve in between. They don't have to change the look and no more sliding under the gasket or edge damage. I have a few in bad need of this!!
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Old 06-05-2018, 05:36 PM
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Yeah, to roll out a new, "more accurate" grading system, but then revert to a 10 point scale seems bizarre. You could deduct a single percentage point for a fisheye, or depression on the surface of a card. Having to downgrade it a half grade or no downgrade at all seems counter-intuitive.
I guess the standardization of monetizing a card's value would be too splintered with additional grading divisions, so maybe that's why it's on the way out. (That's presuming they are switching to the 10 point scale, which is implied by the images of the new flips; maybe they're mock-ups?)

My worry about computerized grading is that no card is technically perfect. Say the computer spits out the best graded card out of thousands of modern cards that get submitted and it's a 94%. Are they going to declare that 94% to be the standard for an SGC 100/10 Pristine? Are they never going to award a 100, 98, or 96 again? If the best grade a person submitted to SGC could gain is a NM-MT+, is anyone going to submit to a company when they could get a BGS 9.5 or PSA 10 with a human grader? I also think the whole idea is overblown, and that the market is doing just fine with cards being graded by humans on the whole. If it wasn't there wouldn't be an exponential increase in the value of high grade vintage commons like there is.

Someone could also flood the initial submissions with this new computerized grading with good quality fakes, and if not caught, those could be the first cadre of slabbed/scanned cards, and become the standard which real cards are compared to.
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I wouldn't doubt SGC already has 1000's of cards already scanned before even the announcement of the new system and they're not going to blindly scan a card w/o authenticity. The initial website, before the take-down, was most likely to spur forum conversations and inputs.


This isn't for the dying vintage submissions which is/will be plaguing all TPG, this is for the NEW, shiny stuff produced every year. A full 100 pt grading would be VERY cool but may be a bit much. But on the high end shiny, it would make sense: Mint 90-94, Gem Mint 95-99, Pristine 100. How many BGS Gem Mint combos are there, couple dozen?

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I got the email this morning some time, does anyone have a clue why the new stuff was taken down. Seems really silly to send out an email like that then pull it down.

I have supported SGC forever cause I like the look of the insert and I hate the floating and inconsistent casing PSA does on pre war stuff. Although I am sure that pre war makes up a small overall percentage of what people submit it is all I really care about. If these changes come through I am not sure what I will do, the large number is far too big and looks silly. One of the comic book grading companies made the grade number much bigger but it's a far larger item so, I am now used to the new look. Not sure I could even get used to this.

I guess time will tell but again why in the world was it pulled down??

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Some more details here: https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...cess-upgrades/
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Sounds like some positive changes. And I guess I'm going to be the one person who kinda likes the look of the new label. I won't know for sure until I see one in person though.
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