T206 Bob Ganley - Back Difficulty

[Tao_Moko]

After eight years of collecting and tracking Ganley I have, without using pop reports, come up with my difficulty ranking by back. There are seven possible backs with 4 being pretty tough. This ranking is based on how many I've witnessed come to market through ebay, auction houses, b/s/t, shows and dealer websites.


Easy:
Piedmont 150 - By far and away the most available
Sweet Cap 150 Fact 25 - Pied 150 is 8:1 more common
Sweet Cap 150 Fact 30 - Pied 150 is 12:1 more common

Tough to Scarce:
Brown Hindu - Pied 150 is 30:1 more common
Sovereign 150 - Pied 150 is 30:1 more common. This back has dried up and may be even more difficult than Hindu.

Scarce to Rare:
EPDG - Pied 150 is 80:1 more common
Piedmont 350 - Pied 150 is 100:1 more common

Oddities:
Name at top and bottom - 4 examples
Wet Sheet Transfer - 1 example
War Paint(name I've given the very bright examples with red streaks across his face and nose - Witnessed a handful at most
Printers Mark - Never seen one
Two Name Card - Never seen one
Severe miscut - Never seen one

It's possible to shoot holes in my comparisons so if you would like to share what you have then please contribute.

Eric

[Jantz]

Good information Eric.

I have nothing to add. If you have been following the Ganleys for 8 years then I'm sure your research is solid.

Thanks for posting the numbers.

The only question I have is what are the backs on the two same name examples?

Jantz

[Sean]

Eric, first of all, show us your back run. Second, how can a Piedmont 350 be that rare?

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by Sean

Eric, first of all, show us your back run. Second, how can a Piedmont 350 be that rare?

There are some T206s that can have a Piedmont 350 back, but can be very hard to locate.

Use the search function with the keyword "Elite Eleven"

These T206s have been discussed here in that thread.


Jantz

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by Jantz

Good information Eric.

I have nothing to add. If you have been following the Ganleys for 8 years then I'm sure your research is solid.

Thanks for posting the numbers.

The only question I have is what are the backs on the two same name examples?

Jantz

Jantz - Both are Pied 150's. I have a goal of reaching five, but since it's already a more limited production card the odds of that happening are slim. Do you own the two in your attachment?

[tedzan]

Ganley is one of the "Elite 11" subjects in the 150/350 series......in which their PIEDMONT 150, SOVEREIGN 150, SWEET CAPORAL 150
cards are relatively easy to find. And, their brown HINDU, while tougher, is not too difficult to find.

But, try to find a PIEDMONT 350, or an EL PRINCIPE de GALES back on these 11 guys. You will discover that this is a real challenge.

The Elite 11 subjects are......

Dahlen (Boston)
Ewing
Ganley
Tom Jones (St Louis)
Karger
Lindaman
Mullin (throwing)
Schaefer (Detroit)
Schulte (front view) **
Shaw (St Louis)
Spencer



Actually, there are 12 subjects in this "elite" group. The 12th guy is Lundgren (Cubs). There are approx. 300 - Lundgren PIEDMONT 150
cards in circulation. To date, there are about only 12 examples (graded and un-graded) of this card with the PIEDMONT 350 back.


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** Note To date, only one Schulte exists with the PIEDMONT 350 back. And, no EPDG has been found of Schulte.



T-Rex TED
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[Tao_Moko]

Thanks Ted. I have successfully completed both the Lundgren and Ganley back runs. The one I'm missing is the Lundgren KC Carolina Brights and not sure that I'll ever get it. What next? Those two were years in the making and not sure of my next challenge.

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Ganley is one of the "Elite 11" subjects in the 150/350 series......in which their PIEDMONT 150, SOVEREIGN 150, SWEET CAPORAL 150
cards are relatively easy to find. And, their brown HINDU, while tougher, is not too difficult to find.

But, try to find a PIEDMONT 350, or an EL PRINCIPE de GALES back on these 11 guys. You will discover that this is a real challenge.

The Elite 11 subjects are......

Dahlen (Boston)
Ewing
Ganley
Tom Jones (St Louis)
Karger
Lindaman
Mullin (throwing)
Schaefer (Detroit)
Schulte (front view) **
Shaw (St Louis)
Spencer



Actually, there are 12 subjects in this "elite" group. The 12th guy is Lundgren (Cubs). There are approx. 300 - Lundgren PIEDMONT 150
cards in circulation. To date, there are about only 12 examples (graded and un-graded) of this card with the PIEDMONT 350 back.


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** Note To date, only one Schulte exists with the PIEDMONT 350 back. And, no EPDG has been found of Schulte.



T-Rex TED
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Also, Inthink the Sov 150 is much more difficult than the Pied and SC 150's. Maybe just fewer circulated due to Sov back collectors

[tedzan]

The Sovereign 150 backs for the Elite 11 subjects are definitely less available than either the Piedmont 150 backs, or the Sweet Caporal 150 backs.


TED Z
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[Jantz]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

Jantz - Both are Pied 150's. I have a goal of reaching five, but since it's already a more limited production card the odds of that happening are slim. Do you own the two in your attachment?

Eric

I don't own either of the two same name Ganleys that I posted. I thought maybe you did or they were two of the four you reference to in your original post.

The reason I posted them was maybe you hadn't seen them before or maybe the chance that the scan would help you with your research. I'll admit, I grab scans from everywhere, so when I posted it I wasn't sure if it was originally yours.


Jantz

[Thromdog]

I picked up this ganley a while back.....it's a dupe but it was one of the first I got with a sliver on the top which is why I bought it.

I'm not a name on top/scrap kind of collector though......

Smudge on the face is weird too.....gray?

ganley.jpg

[Thromdog]

Forgot to mention that Eric's a turd for getting the ganley EPDG.

I thought I would get it with a snipe at ~25$ less then it ended.....guess I wasn't the only one thinking that!

Grats on the card and completing the run!!!!

[Jantz]

Thromdog

Eric wasn't the only Net54 member watching the Ganley EPDG.


Jantz

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by Thromdog

Forgot to mention that Eric's a turd for getting the ganley EPDG.

I thought I would get it with a snipe at ~25$ less then it ended.....guess I wasn't the only one thinking that!

Grats on the card and completing the run!!!!

I am a turd and not denying that. I have been waiting long enough that I would have paid well over what I did. The real congrats goes to the seller and hopefully he had some good margin in it. You and Jantz should stay in touch as I will keep hunting them to help you locate what you need.

[Thromdog]

Most definitely!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jantz

There are some T206s that can have a Piedmont 350 back, but can be very hard to locate.

Use the search function with the keyword "Elite Eleven"

These T206s have been discussed here in that thread.


Jantz

Jantz, thanks for directing me to that old thread. More good info from Ted.
So there's only been one Schulte found with a Piedmont 350 since then? I'll go check my cards just in case.

[Fred]

Can anybody tell me where in the spectrum of difficult backs a Sovereign 460 sits.

[Luke]

These are the mid-range tough backs according to t206resource.com:

13 American Beauty 460
14 Hindu - Brown
15 American Beauty 350 (No Frame)
16 Sovereign 460
17 Cycle 460
18 Tolstoi
19 Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory No.25
20 El Principe De Gales
21 American Beauty 350 (Frame)
22 Sovereign 350 (Apple Green)
23 Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory No.42
24 Cycle 350
25 Old Mill (Southern Leagues) - Black
26 Sovereign 150

The "Exclusive 12" are more common with a Sov460 back than than rest of the subset.

[Fred]

Thank you Luke.

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by Fred

Can anybody tell me where in the spectrum of difficult backs a Sovereign 460 sits.

Do you mean that you have a Ganley w/ Sov460? That would defy all odds.

[Fred]

Sorry Eric, I guess I kind of saw an opportunity to ask a question in this thread. Nope, no him.

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by Fred

Sorry Eric, I guess I kind of saw an opportunity to ask a question in this thread. Nope, no him.

You never know w/ T206. I think the Sov 460 is a little tougher than ranks.