Here Is the Place, if any on this forum, for Gun Discussion

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

Guns used in this attack were AR-15s, the same AR-15s that would have been banned and illegal to sell under the previously held Federal Assault Weapons Ban.

So an assault weapon ban would would eliminate these type shootings? Is that what you're saying? If that's not what you're saying, please explain your comment.

Assault weapons are banned in France too. That didn't stop the terrorists. 129 people dead.

They're banned in Norway as well. That didn't stop Breivik. 69 people dead.

[packs]

I guess we should sell them to whoever wants them and just wait around to see what they do with them. That's a better idea than taking them off the market and allowing people to possess other weapons not on the ban.

Also your mention of France and Norway is actually counter intuitive to your point, seeing as France and Norway do not have mass shootings in their countries that out number the days of the year like we do. So I would say not selling them in France and Norway does indeed impact the number of mass shootings in the country in which assault weapons are used.

Lastly, if your argument is that making something illegal doesn't mean you can't get it, that's obvious to everyone. But I don't see why you don't think there's a difference between something being legal to buy and illegal to buy.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

I guess we should sell them to whoever wants them and just wait around to see what they do with them. That's a better idea than taking them off the market and allowing people to possess other weapons not on the ban.

Ok, I'll bite. So, let's say that an assault weapons ban is re-instated. Going forward, no more sell (or trade or barter in any way) of assault weapons, the ammo they shoot, high capacity magazines, accessories (flash compressors, folding stocks, etc.) etc.

What about the ones already in the hands of individuals?

So, my question once again (since you failed to answer it the first time), would that (meaning a ban) eliminate these types of shootings?

Edited for clarification.

[packs]

No one is talking about a singular solution to this problem. The thing you're not grasping is that if something is illegal, that makes it harder to get. In almost every instance, an assault weapon that was previously banned was purchased legally by a person who then carried out a mass shooting. Very rarely are they not purchased legally. That's because they're easy to get. They chose that weapon specifically, not by chance.

So, once again, if you have a group of people in this country who are choosing to buy a specific type of weapon to carry out mass shootings, how is it not in the public's best interests to remove that weapon from store shelves?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

The thing you're not grasping is that if something is illegal, that makes it harder to get.

Like drugs?

Originally Posted by packs

how is it not in the public's best interests to remove that weapon from store shelves?

You keep avoiding my question. Here it is, real simple. Even if a ban was imposed today, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE HANDS OF INDIVIDUALS? Do you let them keep them? Do you confiscate them? What?

[packs]

Your question changes every time a point you make is refuted. There's nothing to gain from having a conversation with you.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

Your question changes every time a point you make is refuted. There's nothing to gain from having a conversation with you.

My question has been the same from the beginning. I just keep wording it differently thinking maybe you'll comprehend it. Obviously not.

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

So an assault weapon ban would would eliminate these type shootings?

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

What about the ones already in the hands of individuals? So, my question once again (since you failed to answer it the first time), would that (meaning a ban) eliminate these types of shootings?

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE HANDS OF INDIVIDUALS? Do you let them keep them? Do you confiscate them? What?

Your inability to answer the question shows your lack of intelligence. Thanks for playing along.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

So an assault weapon ban would would eliminate these type shootings? Is that what you're saying? If that's not what you're saying, please explain your comment.

Assault weapons are banned in France too. That didn't stop the terrorists. 129 people dead.

They're banned in Norway as well. That didn't stop Breivik. 69 people dead.

Not sure why more people don't think like this. Getting rid of weapons is not going to stop a criminal.

If you just lock the door to your house surely there will be NObody breaking in will there? Ummm yeah a "door lock" will stop a thief like "gun control" will stop a criminal.

I also don't know about you guys but all this gun-control crap is starting to seem more and more like big-brother.