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Old 01-02-2011, 06:38 AM
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Default Need Help ID-ing 1926 Yankees-Tigers Players

I recently picked up the glass negative for the following picture, knowing only that it was Yankees at Tigers from 1926.




Started first with trying to ID the Yankees player based on what appears to be an unusually long face and I think that it is Garland Braxton.



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1926 Yankees with Braxton circled:



If it is Braxton, then the only game that he played in at Detroit and reached base was June 9, 1926, in which he got the win pitching the 8th and 9th. (I checked retrosheet.org and they didn't have the play byplay for any of the games that may have enabled me to determine exactly who had reached third in the games.)

If that is true, and assuming that the Detroit player is the third baseman, that would make the Detroit player Jack Warner. Does that look like him?






If it is not Braxton/Warner, the other Detroit players at third against the Yankees in 1926 were O'Rourke and Gehringer.

I like the image. Figuring out definitively who the players are, and possibly when the game was played, will just add to the enjoyment.

Thanks in advance for any and all help.
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Old 01-02-2011, 07:04 AM
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My guess on the Yankee player is Joe Dugan.

Largish rump, legs with slender upper body and sloping shoulders.

The face in the negative would have more of the skeletal, sunken features of Braxtons face.

My first reaction on seeing the image without reading your post was "that's a cool action shot of Dugan".

Just one opinion though.
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Old 01-02-2011, 07:33 AM
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Thanks for the input.

I guess that I could see it as Dugan. If it is, then at best I am probably only going to be able to pin it to the players and not an actual game.

I look forward to others weighin in.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks like the bag has to be either first or second base. You can see the outfielder in the distance and the grandstands behind. If this was third base the stands would be much closer.

Unless the image is reversed?

There's also an umpire on the play behind the runner so I'm guessing second base?


another guess, this looks like a tag-up. Ball hit up alley between 2nd and 3rd. Player on 2nd goes back to the base to avoid a double play? Or ball hit up first base line, player on first runs back for same reason.

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Old 01-03-2011, 06:40 AM
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Jaybird, First, thanks for the input. I don't agree, but it did make me re-evaluate why I thought this was at third base. If you see something wrong in my logic below, please point it out.



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Unless the image is reversed?
I know that the image is not reversed. If the image was reversed "New York" across the front of the jersey would be backwards.


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Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks like the bag has to be either first or second base. You can see the outfielder in the distance and the grandstands behind. If this was third base the stands would be much closer.
I don't believe that it can be first base.

I believe the axis of the photo taken is as indicated by the red arrow in the image below. This would be consistent with the angle of the stands in the background. Also, the player in the backgournd could be either the pitcher or first baseman.

As for the possibility of it being second base, for the stands to line up the way that they do with the base, I believe the axis of the photo would be as indicated by the yellow arrow in the image below, but would put the photographer quite a distance from the players to be off the playing field. The image, to me at least, looks like the photographer is closer to the players.






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There's also an umpire on the play behind the runner so I'm guessing second base?
The umpire behind the runner also threw me. Maybe something earlier in the play pulled umpire out of position? I am also not too familiar with the ways umpires used to position themselves. I am reminded though of the classic image of Cobb stealing 3rd with the umpire on the field behind them.








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another guess, this looks like a tag-up. Ball hit up alley between 2nd and 3rd. Player on 2nd goes back to the base to avoid a double play? Or ball hit up first base line, player on first runs back for same reason.
With the orientation of the photo (Based on the stands) if it was a tag-up back to 2nd, then we would be looking at the back of the runner. Same goes for tag-up back to 1st.
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I agree that this is 3rd base.

And I still think it's Dugan.

Can you make out what the script at the top of the image reads?

Very impressed with your research on this, Tim. Love that shot of Navin - where did you find it?
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