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Old 03-14-2019, 02:36 PM
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The top 4 bidders have zero retractions. Is it still possible something is going on? Sure. But you're going to have to be far cleverer than I am to catch someone. So you wind up coming across that like Simpson's GIF:

Retractions, LOL. They haven't been used for shilling auctions in a very long time. Maybe some idiots still use them but the big guys have been using other methods for several years.

This post has nothing to do with this auction or seller, just on how shilling has evolved.
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[quote=vintagetoppsguy;1862582]It's not a matter of preference. You said the PSA card was far better than the SGC card. I'm asking what makes it far better other than that tiny speck?


Looks like the PSA card has a better front print surface then the SGC card...less print dots and some yellow showing through the red on the SGC near the bottom...

Too bad couldn't merge the corners and centering of the SGC and surface of the PSA...

On the bidding side looks like 3 or 4 folks bid hearty and then ran out of money...lol
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Retractions, LOL. They haven't been used for shilling auctions in a very long time. Maybe some idiots still use them but the big guys have been using other methods for several years.

This post has nothing to do with this auction or seller, just on how shilling has evolved.
I understand, but my point is with ebay's anonymous system I think it's impossible to catch them so what's the point? I mean the run up of 2016 didn't rely on retractions but the PWCC guys did for a lot longer simply because they could.
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PWCC definitely gets top prices. I put in what I thought was a strong late bid for the Goodwin King Kelly and got blown away, to put it mildly.
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eBay is a different auction format. If I want to win a 1964 Bob Lillis SGC 96 that I think is worth about $35, then I need to bid in the dark $50 if I want a chance to win, and if I really want it, I need to bid $200. That I win it for $28.69 after bidding $50 encourages me to do that the next time because I bid $33 on the Ken Johnson which sold for $34. I would let both go at $40 in a traditional, turn taking auction format.
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[.QUOTE=RCMcKenzie;1862606]eBay is a different auction format. If I want to win a 1964 Bob Lillis SGC 96 that I think is worth about $35, then I need to bid in the dark $50 if I want a chance to win, and if I really want it, I need to bid $200. That I win it for $28.69 after bidding $50 encourages me to do that the next time because I bid $33 on the Ken Johnson which sold for $34. I would let both go at $40 in a traditional, turn taking auction format.[/quote]
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