BST transaction gone very bad with "lost" check

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I think some might be missing his motive for posting here: he is trying to arrive at a final outcome and thinks this will help, both in terms of gathering advice he hadn't thought of and getting the accused to step forward.

Some people post such things to sway opinion or to blow off steam. That isn't the case here.

Exactly! He would like to have the seller step up and do the right thing. I think by posting what he did, he let's the seller know that he's serious about the situation and is willing to out him if it's not resolved. He's giving the seller an opportunity to do the right thing. Read his last statement in the original post:

Originally Posted by itjclarke

In posting, I would also like to compel this seller to do what he should be doing here and actually respond and do what the bank is asking.

[Rollingstone206]

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[rajah424]

I move often for work so I lose stuff all the time. A few years ago i found a pay check that was 6 years old (yes, I know i'm an idiot). I went to a BOA to see if there was anything i could do to cash or deposit it. The teller told me he couldn't accept it because it was so old but told me to deposit it at an ATM and it would be cleared undetected. I deposited it that night and the funds were available 3 days later no problem.

[itjclarke]

Scott/David- thanks guys, you're dead on with my intention and my goals in starting the thread. Posting to the board was definitely not something I wanted to do, but after 2 months+ yielded minimal results with the other person, I saw this as a next logical step. I also have no idea how long a true "outcome" will take, so I didn't want to wait silently until 2016, or whenever.

So far this thread has accomplished a few things.
- it's given me piece of mind re-affirming I'm not off base in my suspicions.
- it's provided me with a few ideas I had not considered (thanks to those who have posted or PMd)
- and within a very short period of time, it will show me whether this whole process needs to take the next step... or alternately, whether this person will reappear, either publicly here, or directly to me/my bank and begin cooperating.

Point noted, that he could be reading this while not logged in.. thanks.

Originally Posted by rajah424

I move often for work so I lose stuff all the time. A few years ago i found a pay check that was 6 years old (yes, I know i'm an idiot). I went to a BOA to see if there was anything i could do to cash or deposit it. The teller told me he couldn't accept it because it was so old but told me to deposit it at an ATM and it would be cleared undetected. I deposited it that night and the funds were available 3 days later no problem.

This is such a great example of how inconsistent this all is. Wells Fargo said their tellers are supposed to reject 6 month old checks as stale.. however, my guess is they can still be deposited in an ATM like your example, and done so without signing. And as shown here several, if not most banks will accept checks indefinitely without question, and the issuing bank has no real ability to stop this.

[egbeachley]

Yes, written checks are never officially "stale". I have also found small paychecks over 5 years old and deposited them with no problem. If you write a check that goes missing, your only safe recourse is to close the account.

As for Stop Payments, as others have said they are only good for 6 months and then you have to pay another fee for another 6 months. And so on. For large checks people sometimes do a Stop Payment twice, but rarely more than that. That's why you often see them deposited 13-14 months after getting "lost". It's not forgetfulness, it's a scam.

https://watchdognation.com/stop-payment-check-scam/

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060601/031244.shtml

One thing you can do is write "Void in 180 days" on all checks. Then a stop payment only needs to be done once.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

One thing you can do is write "Void in 180 days" on all checks. Then a stop payment only needs to be done once.

Thanks for the tip. I never thought of that. Instead of writing it though, I may have a stamp printed and just stamp all my checks in the future.

I wonder if you could get the check company to print that on there?

[Theo_450]

Those who are complaining that Ian won't out the suspect need to take a step back. He is handling this how he deems the best, and that is his perogative.

Given that the matter is unresolved and has the potential for legal action, I fully agree with Ian's discretion.

Obvious things to do:
Print and scan all sent and recieved emails from seller, banks, authorities.
Start a journal documenting with as much detail as you can remember about every aspect of the transaction and interactions with all involved parties. Details will get fuzzy over time, documentation is critical.

I hope that it works out in your favor Ian.

[freakhappy]

Ian...sorry you have to go through all of this. It sounds like you are doing everything in your power to try to get things to sway the way they should have all along. It's unfortunate that a longstanding board member would do something like this...just sad.

I'm happy to see board members helping you out and giving you some good info. This board is full of great people and most of us help out when we see a member in need.

Good luck, friend!

[chris6net]

Originally Posted by Theo_450

Those who are complaining that Ian won't out the suspect need to take a step back. He is handling this how he deems the best, and that is his perogative.

Given that the matter is unresolved and has the potential for legal action, I fully agree with Ian's discretion.

Obvious things to do:
Print and scan all sent and recieved emails from seller, banks, authorities.
Start a journal documenting with as much detail as you can remember about every aspect of the transaction and interactions with all involved parties. Details will get fuzzy over time, documentation is critical.

I hope that it works out in your favor Ian.

I was one of the complainers yesterday and have softened my stance a little today. What I was mainly upset about was that this person was already outed to a select few and there is a good chance he is still selling cards somewhere just not on this board.
I wish Ian luck and am totally on his side but I don't like when someone is outed to a few and others are kept in the dark as this is a great Hobby and unscrupulous people should be outed to all. I only buy and not as often as I like but I am taking some time off from buying until I hear good news from Ian.
CN

[jcmtiger]

I'm done, let me know via pm when the person is identified or resolution is complete.

Joe

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

Yes, written checks are never officially "stale". I have also found small paychecks over 5 years old and deposited them with no problem. If you write a check that goes missing, your only safe recourse is to close the account.

As for Stop Payments, as others have said they are only good for 6 months and then you have to pay another fee for another 6 months. And so on. For large checks people sometimes do a Stop Payment twice, but rarely more than that. That's why you often see them deposited 13-14 months after getting "lost". It's not forgetfulness, it's a scam.

https://watchdognation.com/stop-payment-check-scam/

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060601/031244.shtml

One thing you can do is write "Void in 180 days" on all checks. Then a stop payment only needs to be done once.

Eric, this is a wonderful post. I didn't know that a stop payment was only good for six months. Nor did I know you could write "void after 180 days" on a personal check. I've never really thought about that, but it makes good sense, as I've seen so many businesses do this.

Thank you!

Originally Posted by Theo_450

Those who are complaining that Ian won't out the suspect need to take a step back. He is handling this how he deems the best, and that is his perogative.

Given that the matter is unresolved and has the potential for legal action, I fully agree with Ian's discretion.

Obvious things to do:
Print and scan all sent and recieved emails from seller, banks, authorities.
Start a journal documenting with as much detail as you can remember about every aspect of the transaction and interactions with all involved parties. Details will get fuzzy over time, documentation is critical.

I hope that it works out in your favor Ian.

Ted, this is an excellent suggestion. I'm sure Ian has been taking detailed notes, and keeping a running paper trail of all pertinent communications.

By the way, guys, put me in the camp with those who think Ian is handling this the right way. I'm sure all of us would like to know who the board member is that's causng this issue. In time, if it's not resolved, we will know. I think that exercising discretion here is the way to go. In detailing what has happened, Ian has raised everybody's awareness when dealing on the BST. Without knowing who this person is, and how it was ultimately resolved, I will think twice about sending a personal check for anything (unless it is somebody I know well). Otherwise, I'll choose Paypal. He's also made it quite clear the steps he is taking to resolve this, so hopefully seeing this on the board will motivate the other member to resolve this amicably.

Ian is one of the most trustworthy members of the forum, and he's taking every step possible to move this to a resolution while still giving the other member the opportunity to right the ship, so to speak. With Leon involved, too, I'm sure things are going on behind the scenes that we are not privy to.

I understand the concern that this person might be trying to trade on other sports card forums, possibly with a different name. I would ask Leon if he has any contacts at the CU board, Sportscardforum, Blowout, etc that he might give a heads up to, without outing the person directly to the public?

Good luck, brother! I hope this ends soon, and the resolution is to your satisfaction. You need to be made whole. I know, too, this has to have put a damper on your enjoyment of the hobby, and I hate seeing that. I know how much you love collecting.

[1952boyntoncollector]

(Ted, this is an excellent suggestion. I'm sure Ian has been taking detailed notes, and keeping a running paper trail of all pertinent communications.

By the way, guys, put me in the camp with those who think Ian is handling this the right way. I'm sure all of us would like to know who the board member is that's causng this issue.---- In time, if it's not resolved, we will know. ---)

That's my point, what if nothing happens, nothing is resolved...you say 'we will know' in time......if he never discloses the name 'in time'..lets say 6 months..and another victim occurs...its really not fair to that victim....the seller could be doing other types of scams on other boards...that's why the identity is important.....it appears on your message..even though you agree the seller is not disclosed...that 'in time' you agree the name should be disclosed if the issue is not resolved.......it doesn't appear the name will ever be disclosed no matter how much time passes....and new victims potentially occur...that's my point..

It seems everyone agrees with me now that it doesn't matter if he doesn't post B/S/T here anymore because he can get other victims on other boards...so I don't see that argument anymore ..in addition, to think that a scammer only uses one method, ie. check to scam is not logical.....to just not send checks in the future as one member recommends could now open you up to other scams from the same unidentified person.....I don't think scammers have a professional conduct code that they will limit their scams in one specific way and will never use any other method...thus to say just not to buy through a check to me doesn't seem a like a solution to avoid this potential scammer...

plus I have paid by check before to get better deals, now if no checks are ever accepted, prices will be higher...

[bnorth]

Chances are the OP will never know what happened. The OP will either get their money back or they won't.
I had something very similar happen to me about 4 yrs ago. I was lucky and got my $4000 back but neither the bank or police would tell me what actually happened.

[brob28]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Thanks for the tip. I never thought of that. Instead of writing it though, I may have a stamp printed and just stamp all my checks in the future.

I wonder if you could get the check company to print that on there?

David, I know this can be done, I have seen it before on checks cut for business purposes, although, I've not seen it on personal checks before so not certain on that part.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

.....to just not send checks in the future as one member recommends could now open you up to other scams from the same unidentified person.....I don't think scammers have a professional conduct code that they will limit their scams in one specific way and will never use any other method...thus to say just not to buy through a check to me doesn't seem a like a solution to avoid this potential scammer...

plus I have paid by check before to get better deals, now if no checks are ever accepted, prices will be higher...

I was being a smart-ass. Get some sleep and quit worrying about this.

[obcmac]

I am in the group that is annoyed that Ian isn't naming names. While drawing on the resources of the board to help himself, he is offering nothing to the board members to help them protect themselves. If you want everyone's ideas and help, I think you owe us some helpful information back. If anyone can name one example where a phrase like "the person I've had a difficult time dealing with is x." has somehow impeded the progress of any case, I will withdraw my complaint.

Mac

[Leon]

Originally Posted by obcmac

I am in the group that is annoyed that Ian isn't naming names. While drawing on the resources of the board to help himself, he is offering nothing to the board members to help them protect themselves. If you want everyone's ideas and help, I think you owe us some helpful information back. If anyone can name one example where a phrase like "the person I've had a difficult time dealing with is x." has somehow impeded the progress of any case, I will withdraw my complaint.

Mac

I think everyone will get more information in due time. This isn't a race. And also, the fact this is a potential 14 month old fraud, I am not convinced this person does lots of it. As said, he has been on the board a long time (6+ yrs if not more) and I don't remember any other issues with him. I am with Ian on this one....

[1952boyntoncollector]

[QUOTE=Leon;1380164]I think everyone will get more information in due time. This isn't a race. And also, the fact this is a potential 14 month old fraud, I am not convinced this person does lots of it. As said, he has been on the board a long time (6+ yrs if not more) and I don't remember any other issues with him. I am with Ian on this one....[/Q

I don't care if a guy doesn't do lots of fraud.... a little bit of fraud to the victim or next victim would be bad enough...again you do say 'in due time'...I agree can wait but if we never here a peep from the seller and months pass I think the net54 community will want to know who it is ...as it appears from even from the posts that state that the name wont be mentioned now still agree that the name should be stated eventually..if issue never resolved...to protect the interests of new buyers.

..so we will see

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

...I agree can wait but if we never here a peep from the seller and months pass I think the net54 community will want to know who it is ...as it appears from even from the posts that state that the name wont be mentioned now still agree that the name should be stated eventually..if issue never resolved...to protect the interests of new buyers.

..so we will see

RED - these things have not yet happened, so quit worrying that they will
BLUE - good, then do this

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by obcmac

If anyone can name one example where a phrase like "the person I've had a difficult time dealing with is x." has somehow impeded the progress of any case, I will withdraw my complaint.

For this reason, I fully intend to name him if he doesn't come forward and cooperate with me, my bank, the investigation. You have to realize that I had hoped to accomplish something with this thread, other than creating a witch hunt. However unlikely it was, I wanted to ratchet things up a notch with him so that perhaps he'd contact me. I'd say I was 99% sure he wouldn't come forward when I originally posted, and am probably 99.9% sure now.

Even if he does reach out to me, the perfect chain of events would need to take place for me to not inform the board who he is. At this point, I think I've covered most of my bases, and don't think it will affect the investigation's progress to out him here. That said, I do think he may get a flurry of PMs once he's identified, and do worry about possible meddling there. Not saying I think this will happen, but this is my first go around with something like this, so I'm learning as I go. I am trying to be cautious and consider all possibilities.

I'm all for protecting/warning the board, however as Leon said, he (assuming he is indeed involved) has not been ripping people off left and right. He's been a member almost 6 years and has sold dozens and dozens of items. I also have doubts he (again assuming he did this) would do similar on another board... my gut tells me he's trying to live a very straight, clean, legal life right now, and staying under the radar. So to that point, I think and hope that my waiting a few days here for him to contact me isn't going to cost anyone else.

[itjclarke]

Well, I said to myself before starting this thread, I'd give this guy through the weekend to reach out to me before I'd name him here. It doesn't look like that's happening anytime soon, so here we are.

I should say, regardless of the circumstances and my own suspicions, I don't know for certain this guy stole my money, or helped to steal my money (I hope to know soon). What is indisputable though is that this guy has been totally non communicative for over 3 weeks now, leaving critical questions from me and my bank unanswered, and as of late last week had still not simply signed a one page bank form that's been sent to him twice. This is after his being minimally communicative and vague at the beginning of this process, and after he for some reason edited his original sale thread several months after our deal. It now reads that PayPal gift is an accepted form of payment. That thread is now locked.

Until December, I had no reason to think my transaction had been anything but a good one, and had since exchanged pleasant emails with this guy over a handful of other cards. I'm guessing several others here have probably done transactions with him, presumably all good ones since I'd never seen anything negative posted about him. I'd also guess several here may know him since he's been here since 2009 and since we've got a lot of Philly area and PA guys on this board. No matter what happens now though, or what he or his friends may eventually say in his defense, he's shown his true colors to me.

Going forward, I probably won't offer up any new details as this progresses, however I will post the outcome, and more importantly any further lessons learned that may help you guys down the road. Thank you to those who've chimed in with ideas, offers of advice and/or help, and general support. This board is the best... at least the vast majority of it.

BTW, to the point of lessons learned, I saw Ed's earlier comment about putting a void after 180 days. Thanks for the comment and it seems like a very good idea, however from all I've read, once again the bank is not responsible for honoring these types of notes on your checks. Not really sure what the banks are responsible for? That said, I probably will start putting that note on any checks, and will just hope there is a responsible teller and/or bank on the other end of it.

[the 'stache]

Ian, Leon et all,

I just did some quick checking on the other forums I am a member of, looking to see if this individual is a member elsewhere, and if so, are they active as a member, and are they are involved in any recent buy/sell transactions.

I used the forum advanced search function, looking for any posts by user name "TimeLord", and name "Richard Cavalieri". I also cross referenced all the forum names with Google, searching the user name, and his actual name as well.

I found nothing on Collector's Universe, Freedom Cardboard, or Sportscardforum.

However, I did find an active member with the user name TimeLord on the Blowout Cards forum that is actively trading, buying and selling.

Now, Ian lists the TimeLord in question on Net 54 as living in Philly. The member on Blowout lists their place of residence as Tennessee. However, their signature shows they are collecting football cards...Eagles football cards. Their Photobucket user name, which I have listed in the next post, also shows a connection to Philadelphia. I've taken a screenshot of their most recent activity, their sign up date, and their current signature. However, while I retain that image, I have taken it down, as I do not with to involve the TimeLord on Blowout if they are not this same person. Until a definitive connection is made one way or another, I do not want to besmirch their reputation on what may be merely coincidence.

BTW, I checked Sports Card Forum's Bad Trader List for the user name and actual name Ian listed, and I did not see him listed there. I know that multiple card sites pool their information (Blowout, I do believe, being one of them).

[the 'stache]

The user name listed on his Photobucket account is thephilidelphiaphenom.

ebay user ID: thephilidelphiaphenom

I don't see any vintage or pre-war baseball cards listed.

[Jacklitsch]

The Blowout Cards TimeLord is not our Timelord.

Our Timelord, Richard, is in Philadelphia, and is, I believe, in the banking business and collects vintage. His collecting interests include e107 and meteorites. He has websites devoted to both.

[CobbvLajoie1910]

Bill, why not privately send your screengrabs to Ian?

I'm sure the other Timelord loves that he’s being publically linked to a potential theft (and his collecting budget questioned).

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by CobbvLajoie1910

Bill, why not privately send your screengrabs to Ian?

I'm sure the other Timelord loves that he’s being publically linked to a potential theft (and his collecting budget questioned).

+1

[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't know Richard personally but have done a few deals with him on 4 digit-type cards with no issues. I guess one never knows, but I would be surprised if he is involved in any wrongdoing. I hope it works out for you.

[7nohitter]

This guy is IN the banking business?????

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't know Richard personally but have done a few deals with him on 4 digit-type cards with no issues. I guess one never knows, but I would be surprised if he is involved in any wrongdoing. I hope it works out for you.

At this point..if we do not hear any response from Richard, I actually believe its because hes not around, in poor health, out of the hobby, or on vacation.....nothing to do about him being wrong...

I find it hard to believe he knows about this discussion and wouldn't respond.......basically I sincerely doubt he sees this discussion and did something wrong and thus hes not responding..

if hes around...whether he was wrong or right we will hear from him for sure.......my three cents..

[Luke]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

At this point..if we do not hear any response from Richard, I actually believe its because hes not around, in poor health, out of the hobby, or on vacation.....nothing to do about him being wrong...

I find it hard to believe he knows about this discussion and wouldn't respond.......basically I sincerely doubt he sees this discussion and did something wrong and thus hes not responding..

if hes around...whether he was wrong or right we will hear from him for sure.......my three cents..

There's no way you could come to this conclusion if you had read all of Ian's posts. At least read all the information before throwing an opinion out there.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Jacklitsch

The Blowout Cards TimeLord is not our Timelord.

Our Timelord, Richard, is in Philadelphia, and is, I believe, in the banking business and collects vintage. His collecting interests include e107 and meteorites. He has websites devoted to both.

Steve, yes, the Richard in question here is in Philladelphia, and the TimeLord on Blowout is listed in Tennessee. This is true. But the TimeLord on Blowout collects Eagles football cards, and their Photobucket user name also references an affiliation with Philadelphia. Now, maybe it is two different people, and that's why I am going to edit my posts from last night. But it would be a heck of a coincidence if two people posting on popular sports card forums with the same user name, both having an association with Philadelphia, turned out to be different people. When I Google the phrase "Time Lord", or "TimeLord", I see no association with the city whatsoever. If that were the case, it would make the user name and Philly connection more of a coincidence. What I do see, instead, is a connection to Doctor Who. So, do we now have two different people who are both sports card collectors, with a connection to Philadelphia, AND Doctor Who fans?

As far as pointing out that this board's TimeLord collects vintage baseball, while the one on Blowout pursues modern football cards as evidence that they are different people, well, that's really a non sequitur leap. When I came back to the hobby, I first joined Sports Card Forum, collecting modern cards with sticker/on card autos, and pieces of game used memorabilia, much like the ones the collector on Blowout deals in. I then discovered I loved vintage and pre-war baseball cards when I signed up here. It is quite possible to collect both the new and the old equally, and pursue cards for both collections with equal zeal. Perhaps the guy on Blowout sells non Eagles cards to fund his pre-war and vintage baseball cards here? It's possible, and I feel confident in saying that it is not rare to collect both modern and very old cards.

I'm not trying to say that you're right or wrong, only that you can't really make that kind of assumption. We know the person in question on Net 54 has been very evasive in communication with both Ian and Leon, and has not responded to correspondence sent directly to him by the bank. Based on the recent behavior by our forum's Time Lord, it is not hard to believe that they could be purposely avoiding mention of their membership here on Blowout so they don't get wind of what he's been doing here.

I held out hope that there was a simple explaination for the cashing of Ian's check, and in a way, I still do. I will hold no ill will for TimeLord on our forum, so long as he remedies the situation immediately, gives Ian back his money, and provides an explanation for what happened. But the longer this goes on, the more I become convinced that is not going to happen, and thusly, my involvement switches from that of a mere spectator to somebody actively trying to help resolve this situation. I consider Ian a friend, and I count myself as one of many on the forum who consider him to be both fair and honest. Plus, I don't like seeing anybody taken advantage of, and I hate thieves more than almost anybody. My training in detecting fraud, and theft, set off immediate red flags the first time I read what was going on, and thus far, I've not seen anything at all that would lead me to question my suspicions.

Originally Posted by CobbvLajoie1910

Bill, why not privately send your screengrabs to Ian?

I'm sure the other Timelord loves that he’s being publically linked to a potential theft (and his collecting budget questioned).

Aaron, you're right. I'll edit out my posts, because there does exist the possibility that this is not the same person, and I wouldn't want to needlessly associate the other person with the shenanigans going on here if that is indeed the case. I'm frustrated for Ian, but I don't want to draw somebody into this if they have no involvement at all.

Should the TimeLord on Blowout see this, and they are not at all involved, please accept my apology. While I will retain the images if they are needed, I won't display them publicly.

[pencil1974]

Well something is wrong if he's not willing to work with Ian and the bank to make it right.

I would think he would be trying his best to remedy the situation so that another person is not out a large sum of money and would be trying to help in any way possible which does not appear to be the case.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

At this point..if we do not hear any response from Richard, I actually believe its because hes not around, in poor health, out of the hobby, or on vacation.....nothing to do about him being wrong...

I find it hard to believe he knows about this discussion and wouldn't respond.......basically I sincerely doubt he sees this discussion and did something wrong and thus hes not responding..

if hes around...whether he was wrong or right we will hear from him for sure.......my three cents..

Curious And your basing your opinion upon?_______ You fill in the blank.

[Econteachert205]

I think timelord is a pretty common dr. Who reference so it's perfectly possible for it to be a common user name.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by pencil1974

Well something is wrong if he's not willing to work with Ian and the bank to make it right.

I would think he would be trying his best to remedy the situation so that another person is not out a large sum of money and would be trying to help in any way possible which does not appear to be the case.

+1 To me, this is it.

[batsballsbases]

Ian,
just a thought if you now Google his name that you posted (Without changing the letters in some way) His profile comes up but also this post with all that is going on, on Net 54 Before there is and outcome I.E. Legal you might want to re think that in some way..

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

I think timelord is a pretty common dr. Who reference so it's perfectly possible for it to be a common user name.

Yes, and that's why I've edited my posts. It may be mere coincidence. Absolutely I agree with that assertion. But the more things that two posters on different forums share in common, the less likely they are different people.

So far, we have established three things in common: the user name likely references they are a fan of Doctor Who. We know both users like sports cards (though as of yet, from different eras). That alone would be a weak connection.

But when you add a third element, the Philadelphia connection, now you start questioning if the user name is a coincidence, or they are the same person. There are a lot of cities in America, and for two people to live in, or have an affinity for the city of Philadelphia, collect sports cards, and be Doctor Who fans...at that point, you have a slightly stronger argument. I would still like to connect a few more dots, obviously, but it's enough to at least warrant digging deeper.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

There's no way you could come to this conclusion if you had read all of Ian's posts. At least read all the information before throwing an opinion out there.

I did read...many people have said that the seller has been legit...no other problems identified by any other member....one isolated incident..........I am just making an opinion......people to go into bad health or life happens..its not always intentional fraud......I don't know what happened for sure..i just giving an opinion of another option....his name has only been posted for less than a day.....maybe we will hear from him....

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I did read...many people have said that the seller has been legit...no other problems identified by any other member....one isolated incident..........I am just making an opinion......people to go into bad health or life happens..its not always intentional fraud......I don't know what happened for sure..i just giving an opinion of another option....his name has only been posted for less than a day.....maybe we will hear from him....

Periods man, periods.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I did read...many people have said that the seller has been legit...no other problems identified by any other member....one isolated incident..........I am just making an opinion......people to go into bad health or life happens..its not always intentional fraud......I don't know what happened for sure..i just giving an opinion of another option....his name has only been posted for less than a day.....maybe we will hear from him....

I see about 50 periods.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I did read...many people have said that the seller has been legit...no other problems identified by any other member....one isolated incident..........I am just making an opinion......people to go into bad health or life happens..its not always intentional fraud......I don't know what happened for sure..i just giving an opinion of another option....his name has only been posted for less than a day.....maybe we will hear from him....

So you read that Ian needed timelord to fill out a bank form. And that timelord told Ian that he wasn't going to comply with the request. And then quit responding to him at all. And you think its more likely that timelord got sick than is just ignoring Ian? Doesn't seem like a very logical thought process. Which is why I assumed you didn't read all of the information.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

So you read that Ian needed timelord to fill out a bank form. And that timelord told Ian that he wasn't going to comply with the request. And then quit responding to him at all. And you think its more likely that timelord got sick than is just ignoring Ian? Doesn't seem like a very logical thought process. Which is why I assumed you didn't read all of the information.

Thank you, Luke.

This, from one of Ian's earlier posts, for me, anyway, completely eliminates the possibility that this is just a case of TimeLord "getting sick" and ducking out for a while.

I sent him an affidavit for check fraud that he needed to sign and mail in. I sent the form with a pre-addressed and stamped evenlope so it would be easy, but he told me his lawyer and a Wells banker had told him this form should never have been sent to him, and that the bank took it from him and "destroyed" it! WTF?!?!? My bank's fraud investigator said a branch teller should have never said or done anything like this and asked me to get the branch's location from him. He did not respond to that question, nor has he responded since. This was 3 weeks ago. My bank has since sent him the same form directly, but as far as I can tell he's ignoring the process.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Thank you, Luke.

This, from one of Ian's earlier posts, for me, anyway, completely eliminates the possibility that this is just a case of TimeLord "getting sick" and ducking out for a while.

good points...never shown the emails ..but taken to be true I agree it looks really really bad for him. I have just seen it happen before that after someone owed money or didn't do what was promised getting scolded and it turned out that person died so the person doing the scolding felt pretty bad so nothing is ever 100%.....

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

good points...never shown the emails ..but taken to be true I agree it looks really really bad for him. I have just seen it happen before that after someone owed money or didn't do what was promised getting scolded and it turned out that person died so the person doing the scolding felt pretty bad so nothing is ever 100%.....

Yeah, I'll give him a pass on this one if he's dead...

[slidekellyslide]

There would have been absolutely no reason for timelord to have edited the original BST ad if he had nothing to do with cashing that check. He edited it on 2/2/15 to add "Paypal gift accepted" a full 16 months after making the original posting. He has quite clearly incriminated himself with that edit. Perhaps the timelord didn't realize his edit would leave a time stamp?

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

There would have been absolutely no reason for timelord to have edited the original BST ad if he had nothing to do with cashing that check. He edited it on 2/2/15 to add "Paypal gift accepted" a full 16 months after making the original posting. He has quite clearly incriminated himself with that edit. Perhaps the timelord didn't realize his edit would leave a time stamp?

There's a perfectly reasonable answer as to why he did this which Mr. Boynton will share with you shortly...

[7nohitter]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

There would have been absolutely no reason for timelord to have edited the original BST ad if he had nothing to do with cashing that check. He edited it on 2/2/15 to add "Paypal gift accepted" a full 16 months after making the original posting. He has quite clearly incriminated himself with that edit. Perhaps the timelord didn't realize his edit would leave a time stamp?

Are you talking about the Mayo Robinson? I see that was edited 2-2-14

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

There's a perfectly reasonable answer as to why he did this which Mr. Boynton will share with you shortly...

Because he's dead.

Wait...

Tom C

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 7nohitter

Are you talking about the Mayo Robinson? I see that was edited 2-2-14

Yes, the thread I locked right after he did it.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

There would have been absolutely no reason for timelord to have edited the original BST ad if he had nothing to do with cashing that check. He edited it on 2/2/15 to add "Paypal gift accepted" a full 16 months after making the original posting. He has quite clearly incriminated himself with that edit. Perhaps the timelord didn't realize his edit would leave a time stamp?

Whats the use of a time stamp when the guy is a freak'n timelord...