1952 mantle probstein

[sflayank]

PSA 5 and of course he says its nicer
How about the fact that Mickey is missing paper on his neck?.....what is PSA doing

[Peter_Spaeth]

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[ullmandds]

SHOCKING!!!!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by sflayank

what is PSA doing

Making fools of collectors.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Is there any chance that spot is somehow not on the card, I mean the asset?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Is there any chance that spot is somehow not on the card, I mean the asset?

Good recovery!

[Cliff Bowman]

It looks to me to be a print defect where something obstructed the print roller rather than paper loss. ETA, if it was paper loss it would be the gray cardboard stock color rather than white.

[swarmee]

*removed after clarification by owner*

[ALR-bishop]

White mole variation. Pretty scarce

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Good recovery!

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[clydepepper]

probstein is still dead to me

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

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Excuse me?

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by sflayank

PSA 5 and of course he says its nicer
How about the fact that Mickey is missing paper on his neck?.....what is PSA doing

Wow, here is a prime example of internet knee-jerk histrionics being passed off as fact, and in the process besmirching someone's card. Happened the other day here as well, in another thread.

I personally know the owner of this card, who discussed it with me. He sent it to PSA for review, asking specifically about the spot in question, and whether or not it was paper loss. PSA explicitly told him it was not paper loss. So the assertion in the opening post is simply not "fact," and to try and state opinion as fact in this case is just unfairly detrimental.

[seablaster]

Originally Posted by MattyC

He sent it to PSA for review, asking specifically about the spot in question, and whether or not it was paper loss. PSA explicitly told him it was not paper loss.

What did they tell him it was?

[MattyC]

I'll ping him and ask him; I was just worried for him about the paper loss issue and once he said it was good, I had to take another call before we could further our conversation. Off to grab a coffee and coach some little league now.

[Peter_Spaeth]

You would think the seller could explain that in the listing.

[Republicaninmass]

Looks like something stuck on to it.

[Sean1125]

Larry, Peter, John, and others--

There are many posts in this thread that are incorrect. Ted is 100% correct.

I am the owner of this 1952 Mickey Mantle.

This card was sold to me within a complete set of '52 Topps cards. When the owner sent the original scan it was in an extremely old PSA holder and he was completely up front that there was something on the card-- he had communicated with Joe Orlando at the time who said it was extra paper stuck to the card, but that decade ago PSA still agreed with the issued grade.

I shared many of the concerns that were in this thread, resulting in me contacting the CEO of CU, Joe Orlando, and President of PSA, Steve Sloan, to have the card reviewed for accuracy. They reviewed the card and disclosed that this is, in fact, extra paper and they agree with the original assessment of the card. At this point, they reholdered the card in the newest light house label and I sent it in to Probstein123 to sell.

I have personally held this card in my hand and spent time scrutinizing the card, the centering, the corners, the registration, and the extra paper on the card. The card is beautifully centered, strong for a 5, and I do hope it sells for a slight premium above other 5's due to its attractive attributes.

I really appreciate all of the community involvement in policing cards, auctions, and grades. I know this behavior comes from a place of love, appreciation, and devotion for the hobby.

That being said, I do not condone the false accusations of paper loss, an inaccurate grade, or any other comments or erroneous 'facts' that are being posted on this thread. These opinions have overstepped a line and crossed to inappropriate, false statements that may damage the sale of my item. I will only ask once that they cease immediately.

Kind Regards,

Sean

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Looks like something stuck on to it.

For once in a lifetime, I agree with Jed, I mean Ted

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by seablaster

What did they tell him it was?

Conservation

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Wow, here is a prime example of internet knee-jerk histrionics being passed off as fact, and in the process besmirching someone's card. Happened the other day here as well, in another thread.

I personally know the owner of this card, who discussed it with me. He sent it to PSA for review, asking specifically about the spot in question, and whether or not it was paper loss. PSA explicitly told him it was not paper loss. So the assertion in the opening post is simply not "fact," and to try and state opinion as fact in this case is just unfairly detrimental.

Matt must have an app that alerts him instantly to any comment anywhere online about a 52 Mantle.

[Hxcmilkshake]

Yes, you need to update the description AND, its overgraded due to that spot,whatever it is. Glws but you are hoping someone is buying the grade not the card, most likely not someone on these boards so these comments arent affecting your sale.

Stan Golen

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[nolemmings]

For the record, I have no problem with Sean making as much money as he can on that Mantle, and although an updated description would be nice, that card's condition is so readily apparent that a buyer knows what he's getting. It's PSA that should be embarrassed, but PSA basically has no shame.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

For the record, I have no problem with Sean making as much money as he can on that Mantle, and although an updated description would be nice, that card's condition is so readily apparent that a buyer knows what he's getting. It's PSA that should be embarrassed, but PSA basically has no shame.

Agreed. Sean was just the buyer of the collection. He even sent it back to PSA for reevaluation. He went above and beyond IMO. Most sellers wouldn't do that.

[Peter_Spaeth]

We may get more comments on an original unaltered card where the owner has now candidly discussed the clearly visible issues than on an altered card where the seller willfully refused to disclose the nonobvious alteration and invented some utter BS to justify it.

[sflayank]

Yes.seller make whatever you can
And yes buyer beware
That being said
Upon further inspection there is also paper missing to the left of the yankee logo
And there is writing on the back bottom left corner
If this is PSA they should be embarassed

[Peter_Spaeth]

To me that looks like a tiny print mark not writing.

[Jdoggs]

Is card still available?
I don't see it on eBay.

[oldjudge]

It seems to me that "extra paper" needs to be penalized as much as paper loss since if it wasn't you could glue paper over paper loss and improve the card's grade.

[Republicaninmass]

For a while, I thought you we a rapper from orange county. Everyone kept referring to the MC/OC Miz

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[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

For a while, I thought you we a rapper from orange county. Everyone kept referring to the MC/OC Miz

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Can you say WTF? I can.... What in the Hell are you talking about? It is confirmed, you've got the brains of a fire hydrant...Congrats....By the way pal, how many straight grade T206s would you like to buy (without credit of course)?

[CMIZ5290]

That's what I thought, sweet dreams......