Looking for help identifying these three cards:

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Leon

Great info and thanks for helping.,
The W575-1s in my collection aren't really paper thin. They aren't as thick as E121 but they aren't thin like T213-1 either. That is the way all of them I have handled have been..

Thanks Leon, I assumed they weren't paper thin, just never had a chance to hold a raw version of both in hand at the same to to really compare. What I've always felt/seen was that the W575-1s were more likely than not to be hand cut or trimmed when you see them, while an authentic Koester Bread card would normally be the listed dimensions of about 2" X 3-1/4". Listed as a "W" card, the W575-1s are considered "strip" cards but, not really sure if they came in strips/sheets for people to cut up. If so, that would definitely make sense for all the badly cut trimmed ones you normally see.

In the OP's case, he's just fortunate to have had the Mays spelling error card in the trio he acquired. Since Koester specifically only chose the Giant/Yankee players to be on the cards they distributed, you assume they would have paid attention to which cards they selected to give away, and obviously not made the mistake of handing out Mays cards with his last name misspelled. Without that Mays error card, it would not be so easy to determine if his cards were W575-1s or Koester Bread cards otherwise.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by BobC

Thanks Leon, I assumed they weren't paper thin, just never had a chance to hold a raw version of both in hand at the same to to really compare. What I've always felt/seen was that the W575-1s were more likely than not to be hand cut or trimmed when you see them, while an authentic Koester Bread card would normally be the listed dimensions of about 2" X 3-1/4". Listed as a "W" card, the W575-1s are considered "strip" cards but, not really sure if they came in strips/sheets for people to cut up. If so, that would definitely make sense for all the badly cut trimmed ones you normally see.

In the OP's case, he's just fortunate to have had the Mays spelling error card in the trio he acquired. Since Koester specifically only chose the Giant/Yankee players to be on the cards they distributed, you assume they would have paid attention to which cards they selected to give away, and obviously not made the mistake of handing out Mays cards with his last name misspelled. Without that Mays error card, it would not be so easy to determine if his cards were W575-1s or Koester Bread cards otherwise.

Hi Bob
Not sure you saw these before? These are W575-1s and are blank backed. These weren't distributed as strips as can be seen by the packaging.They are all exactly the same size, though the scan of 9 is disproportionate, and were not hand cut. I can't say for sure about any others. I suspect they were issued different ways but lean towards packaging like this. SGC graded them and told me they were not hand cut in their opinion. They put handcut on the flip and later said to send them back to revisit the designation. I haven't done it yet. But they acknowledged they are not hand cut. In hand, and holding the whole stack, they are spot on, on size in relation to each other. They fit in the cellophane pack perfectly.

[BobC]

Leon,

Those look to be in really nice shape. Are the backs of all of them with some type of advertising, or just blank like they normally would be? Since those are so nice, if they are all for that specific advertiser you have shown the back for, I wonder if the factory/printer that produced them was approached to prepare them like that and therefore the nice cut on the cards. If so, you could have some really unique, uncatalogued cards there. Very nice in any instance!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by BobC

Leon,
Those look to be in really nice shape. Are the backs of all of them with some type of advertising, or just blank like they normally would be? Since those are so nice, if they are all for that specific advertiser you have shown the back for, I wonder if the factory/printer that produced them was approached to prepare them like that and therefore the nice cut on the cards. If so, you could have some really unique, uncatalogued cards there. Very nice in any instance!

They are blank back cards.

[Cozumeleno]

Looks like I'm a couple of months late to this party but I can give a little more information on these. I spoke with the seller beforehand and bought four of his - the Zack Wheat, Eddie Collins, Dickie Kerr, and Ivey Wingo.

These are definitely not Koester's since the players come from a variety of teams. In comparing them to some of my cards, the stock is virtually identical to W575-1s I have. They are not paper thin but are, as Leon mentioned, noticeably thinner than the E121s.

I believe they are from an advertising poster for two reasons. First, the seller told me he has actually seen the poster in an auction before. The description from the auction he saw listed it as a gum advertising poster but he couldn't recall the name. He THINKS it began with a 'W' but it was not Wrigleys. So if anyone can offer some other gum company names from that period, please let me know. That would aid in searches for trying to find a picture of the poster. According to him, he got these from the collection of an older gentleman's family after he stopped collecting in the 1960s.

Second, some of the cards had large black overprint letters on them, including the Collins and Wingo I purchased, similar to the overprinted N284 Buchners. He had two other cards with parts of the lettering as well and some had traces of the lettering on the backs (which are blank), meaning they were laid on top of each other while still a little wet. If they are from a poster, what it said remains a mystery. However, I believe it could be some iteration of the "Base Ball Stars of the American and National Leagues," which is what was printed on the backs of the E121s. I've got more detail I could get into with that if anyone cares but I've blabbed long enough as it is.

I've scanned in my cards below. Also attached are the other two that had letters but that I did not pursue - Strunk and Judge. If anyone has more details or information/thoughts, I would love to hear.

Finally, to the original poster, check the backs of your cards. If you have any letters showing from wet ink, please let me know. That could aid in determining the phrase that was overprinted.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Cozumeleno

Looks like I'm a couple of months late to this party but I can give a little more information on these. I spoke with the seller beforehand and bought four of his - the Zack Wheat, Eddie Collins, Dickie Kerr, and Ivey Wingo.

These are definitely not Koester's since the players come from a variety of teams. In comparing them to some of my cards, the stock is virtually identical to W575-1s I have. They are not paper thin but are, as Leon mentioned, noticeably thinner than the E121s.

I believe they are from an advertising poster for two reasons. First, the seller told me he has actually seen the poster in an auction before. The description from the auction he saw listed it as a gum advertising poster but he couldn't recall the name. He THINKS it began with a 'W' but it was not Wrigleys. So if anyone can offer some other gum company names from that period, please let me know. That would aid in searches for trying to find a picture of the poster. According to him, he got these from the collection of an older gentleman's family after he stopped collecting in the 1960s.

Second, some of the cards had large black overprint letters on them, including the Collins and Wingo I purchased, similar to the overprinted N284 Buchners. He had two other cards with parts of the lettering as well and some had traces of the lettering on the backs (which are blank), meaning they were laid on top of each other while still a little wet. If they are from a poster, what it said remains a mystery. However, I believe it could be some iteration of the "Base Ball Stars of the American and National Leagues," which is what was printed on the backs of the E121s. I've got more detail I could get into with that if anyone cares but I've blabbed long enough as it is.

I've scanned in my cards below. Also attached are the other two that had letters but that I did not pursue - Strunk and Judge. If anyone has more details or information/thoughts, I would love to hear.

Finally, to the original poster, check the backs of your cards. If you have any letters showing from wet ink, please let me know. That could aid in determining the phrase that was overprinted.

Not sure I have seen those types before but if I had to guess I would say they are cut from an ad poster.