Players who fell off a cliff

[Yastrzemski Sports]

Joey has better numbers but Roger has 2 mvp, 3 ws and 61. Belle has none of those. Advantage: Roger.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Albert Belle's case is infinitely stronger on the short and sweet theory. 8 or so years as an elite slugger.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

Joey has better numbers but Roger has 2 mvp, 3 ws and 61. Belle has none of those. Advantage: Roger.

The WS are irrelevant IMO. Billy Martin played in a lot of WS too, and Gene Woodling.

[packs]

I'm sitting on a minor nest egg if Joey ever DOES get elected:

[A2000]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm sitting on a minor nest egg if Joey ever DOES get elected:

Hey if Harold Baines can get in...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by A2000

Hey if Harold Baines can get in...

Albert Belle blows away Harold Baines. Look at his stats for the 1990s.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Albert Belle blows away Harold Baines. Look at his stats for the 1990s.

He only has 1726 hits. It is going to be hard to get elected to the HOF with that few. Maris is even worse with 1325. If those guys had played long enough to get 2000, I think they would both be in.

[packs]

Originally Posted by rats60

He only has 1726 hits. It is going to be hard to get elected to the HOF with that few. Maris is even worse with 1325. If those guys had played long enough to get 2000, I think they would both be in.

Belle's stats are due to injury though. He should have enough merit in what he did while he could play to get in. He was a much better hitter than Jim Rice or Andre Dawson, who are probably the most similar to him in terms of why they got in.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rats60

He only has 1726 hits. It is going to be hard to get elected to the HOF with that few. Maris is even worse with 1325. If those guys had played long enough to get 2000, I think they would both be in.

Oh I agree, especially given his unpopularity Belle will never get in, I was mostly just responding to the notion that a few good years qualified Maris somehow. But I do think if guys like Baines who were pretty good for a very long time are in, one needs to consider guys who were superstars for 6-7-8 years just didn't have much of a career beyond that. The Belles and Mattinglys of the world.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by rats60

He only has 1726 hits. It is going to be hard to get elected to the HOF with that few. Maris is even worse with 1325. If those guys had played long enough to get 2000, I think they would both be in.

The rules say 10 years. Belle played 10 full plus 2 others. He had waaaaaaaaaay more great years than Sandy Koufax yet Koufax went right in, with no one caring about his short career. Belle is an absolute no-brainer HOFer.