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Old 09-20-2017, 02:38 PM
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Aren't the T213 Type 1's rarer than the Type 3's?
Type 1s and Type 3s are almost equally scarce but Type 3 (1919) overprints are rarer than Type 1s but Type 1s are much more scarce than Type 2s (1914).
I used to know a collector who had almost a complete set of the Type 1s but he swore me to secrecy because he was paranoid about burglaries etc and didn't want the noteriety.
There were 0 Type 1s in the Southern Find.

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Old 09-20-2017, 02:53 PM
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I was one of the 3 collectors who purchased the "Southern Find" back in the 80's. When we picked and chose the ones we wanted I ended up with a complete set of the 1919 16 for 10 cents set minus one card, and several duplicates including 4 Ty Cobb overprinted backs. Over the years I have sold 3 of the Cobbs and kept one. I also had 85% of the 20 for 10 cent backs with many duplicates. I sold all the duplicate 20 for 10s and then about 20 years ago sold the near set of 20 for 10s. The "Find" was incredible as I had 4 or 5 duplicates of Cobb, Johnson, Matty, etc. Alas I sold my complete set-1 of 1919s to none other than Bill Mastro a long time ago. I sold it for about 10% of what these cards sell for now :-( but that's life. I ended up with a beautiful Cobb overprint and a 1914 Cobb (both batting pose) plus a decent return on my purchase. Today the cards would be worth a small fortune. The other two collectors who split the cards with me have also sold their cards to the hobby many, many years ago. One of the others was John England (deceased) who sold all his cards to Larry Fritsch and I believe the Coupons were a part of that sale. The 1919s were in an average of EX condition, just beautiful.
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Footnote: I found one previously unlisted 1919 Coupon and notified Lew Lipset who denied the card existed. I remember sending him a xerox of the card but never heard back from him. I can't remember the player's name but it is the only 1919 I've ever seen or heard of the player and in hindsight is incredibly rare. The "Southern Find" never got the noteriety of the Black Swamp Find almost 30 years later but it was incredibly more noteworthy. Not a lot of card collectors today are aware of the Find. I remember in the late 90's and early 00's seeing small lots from these cards pop up occasionally for sale in auctions, primarily Mastro Auctions.
With regard to the 1919 set, my memory is that of the cards in that near set about 15-20 were overprints.
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Old 10-01-2017, 03:05 AM
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I'm a novice here and posted the thread in the wrong category. Spoke to Leon. My apologies gents. Didnt even know if the thread stayed so I did another in the correct place. I did speak to a few guys and made offers. If you were one, they are serious. Some look unbelievable. We consider these royalty in the hobby. Some I just didnt want to insult your intelligence with the offers because i knew they were either unaffordable or important to your collection. I know I wouldnt sell mine either. We "think" there are less than 12 total and only 5-7 HOFers left, Depending on the silent guys. But we do collect and buy often many of the New Oreans printed cards. We are pretty sure the Kottons / Peoples were printed in NY and distributed here only. I own a few of the larger printing facilities here and know that only certain ones were actually printed here. My great grandfather worked for the St. Charles business that printed, cut and distributed the Tango Eggs find. We love those, especially because so many people called the better cut finds reprints due to the glossy velum stocks, which are genuine and not reprints. Thank you for sharing the photos gents. Let us know if there is a specific sales price wanted on any you see or any here. Thanks again and I will start following this thread closer now that I see it is still here. Thanks Leon
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Old 10-01-2017, 07:59 AM
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I'm a novice here and posted the thread in the wrong category. Spoke to Leon. My apologies gents. Didnt even know if the thread stayed so I did another in the correct place. I did speak to a few guys and made offers. If you were one, they are serious. Some look unbelievable. We consider these royalty in the hobby. Some I just didnt want to insult your intelligence with the offers because i knew they were either unaffordable or important to your collection. I know I wouldnt sell mine either. We "think" there are less than 12 total and only 5-7 HOFers left, Depending on the silent guys. But we do collect and buy often many of the New Oreans printed cards. We are pretty sure the Kottons / Peoples were printed in NY and distributed here only. I own a few of the larger printing facilities here and know that only certain ones were actually printed here. My great grandfather worked for the St. Charles business that printed, cut and distributed the Tango Eggs find. We love those, especially because so many people called the better cut finds reprints due to the glossy velum stocks, which are genuine and not reprints. Thank you for sharing the photos gents. Let us know if there is a specific sales price wanted on any you see or any here. Thanks again and I will start following this thread closer now that I see it is still here. Thanks Leon
Very interesting information, Chris. Thanks for sharing. The Tango Eggs cards tidbits are great.
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Old 10-05-2017, 11:39 AM
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What kind of price range are you considering? I have a factory 8 overprint. Are they really that rare? I have a Hughie Jennings PSA 4.
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your image was too big....redo it (LL)
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Nice card of Hugh "I want to drink your blood" Jennings.

Brian (I must have garlic and wooden stakes hanging about my person, as a type card of the T213-3 overprints has avoided my collection)
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Old 10-06-2017, 12:28 PM
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The best site out there for Louisiana cards belongs to a board member:

http://www.louisianacards.com/

There are more than 7-12 total T213-3 factory 8 OPs. I used to have a Hoblitzell and I think I came across examples of 2-4 more of that card when I owned it and was trying to figure out what to ask for it. PSA's pop report shows only 1 graded F8, Eddie Collins, but lists several others with 0 in the pop report (https://www.psacard.com/pop/search/ then search "T213 Factory 8" ---- which I think means PSA confirmed them but has yet to grade one, not 100% sure about that logic, though it does make sense with the cards in this thread): Cobb bat off, which tbob mentions he had four (4!!!!!) of, Dubuc, Marquard, McGraw port, Bender no trees, and Jennings both hands. I also know someone with a blue Chase portrait. Combine all of these with what I know of the Hoblitzell and the Wheat, red Cobb, Merkle, and Donlin in this thread and quickly we pass the top end of your total pop range without doing more in-depth searches.

Here is my Tango Eggs card, I think you will like the back. Very cool to hear that your grandfather hand a hand in these - I just sent you an email as I lived in New Orleans for 10 years and collect the cards from there.
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Old 10-06-2017, 03:11 PM
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PSA graded my Merkle last year and only called it a Type-3, with no mention of the Factory 8 overprint. I assumed that they didn't distinguish between the two.
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Old 10-07-2017, 05:45 AM
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The grading sites do not distinguish the overprints in the pop reports...SGC does note it on their flip, however.

There are over 30 players/poses that have been confirmed to have the overprint variation.

There are a few to have known duplicates, Cobb bat, Hoblitzell, Collins, Bender...but many examples that exist are the only known overprint of that player.
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