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ps...I should add almost all of my comments aren't pertaining to Probstein, they are how I feel about shill bidding. If the sales venue has that shill bidding IS allowed in their sales, then I guess I have no issue with it. But that isn't the way most sales venues in our hobby operate. and from my good friend wiki- so we are on the same page- "A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization." .
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IMO, you cut short the crux of the matter. "Shilling is illegal in many circumstances and in many jurisdictions[1] because of the potential for fraud and damage; however if a shill does not place uninformed parties at a risk of loss, but merely generates "buzz," the shill's actions may be legal. For example, a person planted in an audience to laugh and applaud when desired (see claque), or to participate in on-stage activities as a "random member of the audience," is a type of legal shill." |
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And like I said, I am aware of some instances outside of our hobby where shilling is permitted and done all of the time. So be it and forewarned is fair-warned. IF we all want to applaud for him, nah, no harm done.
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Alright, I'll be the elephant in the room here. The guy has only bid on 5 items in the last month........he has zero bid retractions in the last 6 months.
Is the 100% figure (on 5 items) the only evidence you have that this guy is an actual shill? Is there a prior history of Probstein selling these exact same cards, that somebody else might have won, prior to your winning them? Could it actually be that he saw a card from a set he was looking for and threw in his obligatory few bids for the month? .....another possibility, and I've heard of several OCD type collectors who do this. He may have already had the card, but saw it was going for a low price and raised the ceiling on them, figuring he was protecting the market. If he wins, no biggy, it's a card he likes anyways.......if he loses, no biggy, he thinks he kept the market from crashing on a card he likes. |
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