NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used > Autograph Forum- Primarily Sports

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-27-2018, 01:44 PM
daves_resale_shop's Avatar
daves_resale_shop daves_resale_shop is offline
David Linardy
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: southport, CT
Posts: 3,146
Default Help with an ali

This one looks like other examples i have seen on these pamphlets, but i just dont know ali that well.

Any thoughts?

Opinions are much appreciated.

Many thanks!
Dave
Attached Images
File Type: jpg F5AAC70F-E51E-4854-AF43-C22C7B53B7B2.jpg (7.0 KB, 259 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-27-2018, 03:27 PM
SetBuilder SetBuilder is offline
Manny
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Key Biscayne, FL
Posts: 611
Default

99% of all Ali signatures for sale are fake. Not only is his signature easy to forge, but he had Parkinson's. I would avoid all Ali signatures. Every single one of them unless you have a letter that it came from Ali himself or his family. Find something else to do with your money. Fund a business. Help a charity.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-27-2018, 05:41 PM
Lordstan's Avatar
Lordstan Lordstan is online now
M@rk V3l@rd3
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Allentown, PA
Posts: 3,754
Default

Dave,
You might want to email the owner of this site. From my understanding, he is one of the most knowledgeable people on Ali sigs.

http://www.aliautos.net/

Mark
__________________
My signed 1934 Goudey set(in progress).
https://flic.kr/s/aHsjFuyogy

Other interests/sets/collectibles.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/96571220@N08/albums

My for sale or trade photobucket album
https://flic.kr/s/aHsk7c1SRL
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-27-2018, 07:44 PM
daves_resale_shop's Avatar
daves_resale_shop daves_resale_shop is offline
David Linardy
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: southport, CT
Posts: 3,146
Default Ali

Thanks Mark,

I greatly appreciate it!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lordstan View Post
Dave,
You might want to email the owner of this site. From my understanding, he is one of the most knowledgeable people on Ali sigs.

http://www.aliautos.net/

Mark
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-27-2018, 10:49 PM
slidekellyslide's Avatar
slidekellyslide slidekellyslide is offline
Dan Bretta
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
Posts: 6,122
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SetBuilder View Post
99% of all Ali signatures for sale are fake. Not only is his signature easy to forge, but he had Parkinson's. I would avoid all Ali signatures. Every single one of them unless you have a letter that it came from Ali himself or his family. Find something else to do with your money. Fund a business. Help a charity.
What if it comes with a photo of Ali signing the item?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg ali1.jpg (46.6 KB, 213 views)
File Type: jpg ali2.jpg (60.5 KB, 211 views)
__________________
Looking for Nebraska Indians memorabilia, photos and postcards
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-27-2018, 11:31 PM
commishbob's Avatar
commishbob commishbob is offline
Bob Andrews
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Houston Tx Area
Posts: 1,364
Default

Probably won't help much given when it was signed but this one is authentic. He signed this for me in July of 1971.

march27_0031.jpg
__________________
People are crazy and times are strange, I used to care but things have changed -Dylan
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-28-2018, 07:26 AM
SetBuilder SetBuilder is offline
Manny
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Key Biscayne, FL
Posts: 611
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by slidekellyslide View Post
What if it comes with a photo of Ali signing the item?
There was a huge scandal recently that was covered in a television investigation where a dealer was caught photoshopping the photos and inserting the item for sale into the photo. Someone found the real pictures and they were busted.

You also don't know how many photos Ali signed at that session. Maybe he signed only 100, but the dealer uses the photo for hundreds more.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-28-2018, 07:30 AM
daves_resale_shop's Avatar
daves_resale_shop daves_resale_shop is offline
David Linardy
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: southport, CT
Posts: 3,146
Default Alisite

Quote:
Originally Posted by daves_resale_shop View Post
Thanks Mark,

I greatly appreciate it!
Mark this site was very helpful... good writeup on these pamphlets.

Thanks for the help everyone!
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-28-2018, 12:33 PM
MikeKam MikeKam is offline
Mike Kaminski
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Toronto
Posts: 501
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SetBuilder View Post
99% of all Ali signatures for sale are fake. Not only is his signature easy to forge, but he had Parkinson's. I would avoid all Ali signatures. Every single one of them unless you have a letter that it came from Ali himself or his family. Find something else to do with your money. Fund a business. Help a charity.
I don't understand such a blanket statement.

Ali signed tons, there's probably an argument for his signature being the most widely available of any high profile celebrity/athlete ever (I'm not including the Bob Fellers of the world here). Authentic examples of his signature are easy to obtain if you really want one.

Yes, Parkinson's distorted his autograph to where it became quite jagged instead of the free flowing autograph that he had previously. Nonetheless, other than really late examples (I believe he stopped signing in the late 2000s) these are still autographs that can be authenticated. Those late 2000s autographs are also ones that were signed in the presence of companies like PSA and Online Authentics and come with proper documentation - authentic. His pre-90s autographs? Even easier to authenticate!

Saying something like you should avoid all autographs of one of the most celebrated human beings of all time just seems naive.

I like the pamphlet in the OP (which is probably the item that Ali signed the most of and you can buy for <$100 easily) but would like to see a better photo.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-28-2018, 12:57 PM
1treasuretrove 1treasuretrove is offline
Joe F.ey
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 125
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeKam View Post
I don't understand such a blanket statement.

Ali signed tons, there's probably an argument for his signature being the most widely available of any high profile celebrity/athlete ever (I'm not including the Bob Fellers of the world here). Authentic examples of his signature are easy to obtain if you really want one.

Yes, Parkinson's distorted his autograph to where it became quite jagged instead of the free flowing autograph that he had previously. Nonetheless, other than really late examples (I believe he stopped signing in the late 2000s) these are still autographs that can be authenticated. Those late 2000s autographs are also ones that were signed in the presence of companies like PSA and Online Authentics and come with proper documentation - authentic. His pre-90s autographs? Even easier to authenticate!

Saying something like you should avoid all autographs of one of the most celebrated human beings of all time just seems naive.

I like the pamphlet in the OP (which is probably the item that Ali signed the most of and you can buy for <$100 easily) but would like to see a better photo.
I was actually going to reply to the same quote above as well. I would agree that there are many, many Ali fakes on the market - in fact, over 50% on eBay at any given time might be fake. However, Ali was a gracious signer and even as his health declined, he continued to sign in high quantity. Ali also did many, many private signings and was never really that hard to obtain.

Interestingly enough, Ali is one of the few cases where his autograph actually went down in value after he passed away. After he passed, more and more autographs were made available and the supply drowned out the demand. 8x10 photos that used to be easy $400 sales became tough to sell at $300. Items such as pamphlets and paper cuts can typically be had at $100-$150 now, far less than a few years ago. The reason for this all is the fact that he is far from a tough autograph - many exist and they are readily available.

As for authentication, I don't believe it is that tough. It would be pretty easy to develop an evolving timeline of this autograph and up until the last decade, they were pretty consistent. Anyways, he did have a nice signature back in the day - it got smaller but somehow kept it's flair in the 90's.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-29-2018, 06:05 PM
Duluth Eskimo's Avatar
Duluth Eskimo Duluth Eskimo is offline
Ja.son Hugh.es
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,232
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SetBuilder View Post
99% of all Ali signatures for sale are fake. Not only is his signature easy to forge, but he had Parkinson's. I would avoid all Ali signatures. Every single one of them unless you have a letter that it came from Ali himself or his family. Find something else to do with your money. Fund a business. Help a charity.
This is one of the dumbest statements uttered in this forum.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-29-2018, 06:44 PM
w7imel's Avatar
w7imel w7imel is offline
Michael I.
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Indiana
Posts: 797
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo View Post
This is one of the dumbest statements uttered in this forum.
I met Ali several times in the 90's, twice while he was traveling in his RV for baseball tournaments for son or grandson? But Ali was a very willing signer and as long as he wasnt feeling bad or napping he sat in the drivers seat of his RV and welcomed anyone and everyone aboard for him to sign their items and take pictures. I seen him even draw sketches for women on their purses of him and fraiser fighting. His signature was still very readable but when he signed it was like he was moving in super slow motion to make sure you got a perfect autograph. To say he couldnt sign his name would be a false statement. He made sure everyone had his autograph before he stopped. That was the 3 times or so I met him so I imagine he was like that with everyone.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-29-2018, 08:30 PM
Lordstan's Avatar
Lordstan Lordstan is online now
M@rk V3l@rd3
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Allentown, PA
Posts: 3,754
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by daves_resale_shop View Post
Mark this site was very helpful... good writeup on these pamphlets.

Thanks for the help everyone!
Glad it helped you out.
__________________
My signed 1934 Goudey set(in progress).
https://flic.kr/s/aHsjFuyogy

Other interests/sets/collectibles.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/96571220@N08/albums

My for sale or trade photobucket album
https://flic.kr/s/aHsk7c1SRL
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-30-2018, 06:00 PM
David W David W is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Northern Indiana
Posts: 1,703
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by w7imel View Post
I met Ali several times in the 90's, twice while he was traveling in his RV for baseball tournaments for son or grandson? But Ali was a very willing signer and as long as he wasnt feeling bad or napping he sat in the drivers seat of his RV and welcomed anyone and everyone aboard for him to sign their items and take pictures. I seen him even draw sketches for women on their purses of him and fraiser fighting. His signature was still very readable but when he signed it was like he was moving in super slow motion to make sure you got a perfect autograph. To say he couldnt sign his name would be a false statement. He made sure everyone had his autograph before he stopped. That was the 3 times or so I met him so I imagine he was like that with everyone.
Yes. Ali was at many youth tournaments with his son and signed readily. My wife and daughter got to meet him in his RV about 15 years ago and he signed several sports illustrated mags. Between innings he would sign or pose for pics. Very kind man to all. If he was not feeling well he would go to his RV and rest.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-30-2018, 06:00 PM
David W David W is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Northern Indiana
Posts: 1,703
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by w7imel View Post
I met Ali several times in the 90's, twice while he was traveling in his RV for baseball tournaments for son or grandson? But Ali was a very willing signer and as long as he wasnt feeling bad or napping he sat in the drivers seat of his RV and welcomed anyone and everyone aboard for him to sign their items and take pictures. I seen him even draw sketches for women on their purses of him and fraiser fighting. His signature was still very readable but when he signed it was like he was moving in super slow motion to make sure you got a perfect autograph. To say he couldnt sign his name would be a false statement. He made sure everyone had his autograph before he stopped. That was the 3 times or so I met him so I imagine he was like that with everyone.
Yes. Ali was at many youth tournaments with his son and signed readily. My wife and daughter got to meet him in his RV about 15 years ago and he signed several sports illustrated mags. Between innings he would sign or pose for pics. Very kind man to all. If he was not feeling well he would go to his RV and rest.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-30-2018, 07:37 PM
RedsFan1941 RedsFan1941 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,207
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo View Post
This is one of the dumbest statements uttered in this forum.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11-01-2018, 01:03 PM
Exhibitman's Avatar
Exhibitman Exhibitman is offline
Ad@m W@r$h@w
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Beautiful Downtown Burbank
Posts: 13,045
Default

Ali signed those pamphlets continually and in great quantity for many years. He believed that part of his religious duty was spreading the word on Islam through these pamphlets, which he signed so that people would keep them. They are probably the easiest, cheapest and least forged Ali signed items. The one shown in the OP looks like a nice post-career signature.

As for the general statement that 99% of the Ali signatures are fakes, that is just ignorant. In addition to the hundreds of thousands of pamphlets he signed and handed out and all of the good will signing he did (and as the people here have attested to, he was the most gracious and willing signer you could imagine for a sports superstar), he signed thousands of cards for various certified card issues over 20 years. There are thousands of 1992 Classic signed cards, for example.



To get some idea of scope, he signed 2,750 hand numbered versions of the card (a 2,500 and a 250 issue) plus thousands of additional cards that are unnumbered. People are still pulling them from packages of the cards.
__________________
Read my blog; it will make all your dreams come true.

https://adamstevenwarshaw.substack.com/

Or not...

Last edited by Exhibitman; 11-01-2018 at 01:09 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:30 AM.


ebay GSB