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Old 04-16-2012, 07:38 AM
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It has been brought to my attention that many of our memorabilia folks are not wanting to post, or have quit posting, due to the autograph folks posting and bickering, fighting, arguing etc. I feel the goal for me is to make this place as amenable for all members as possible, while keeping the forum(s) focus's in mind. To that end I want to discuss the good and bad of having a separate sub forum for autographs. What I wouldn't want to do is create one and then have fewer threads and posts in both the memorabilia and autograph forums. In general I don''t like splitting the forums up but it just might make sense for autographs. Another moderator brought this up to me and I don't want to take credit for the discussion or possible change. I just want as friendly a place as possible (understanding the nature of collecting and the impossibility of pure happiness on a chat board ) Thoughts?
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Old 04-16-2012, 07:47 AM
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for the most part I could care less about the autographs. I come here to see the good stuff
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:02 AM
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for the most part I could care less about the autographs. I come here to see the good stuff
+1 to what Jim said.

I know this is OT, but I would also like to see the B/S/T for T cards split in two - one for T206s and the other for all other T cards.
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I jump to new posts anyway, so I will see all the threads no matter what forum they are in. I had lunch last week with another board member and we discussed the autograph "wars" on here. Although autographs are not a large part of our collections or interest, the on-going threads have turned us both off to autographs.

Someone had mentioned earlier about being able to tell which thread is about autographs and that you did not need to read it if you did not want to. I don't think that is the point, I enjoy reading and learning about that side of the hobby, what I can't stand is the same people going from thread to thread and arguing with each other. Read a few of those threads and you can clearly see who has an axe to grind and the people that don't like each other.

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I would love to see J*Birkholm, R*Yeakley posting again like they used to. Maybe an autograph forum will bring them back!

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I really enjoyed the "Good news" autograph thread as I felt it progressed our hobby and allowed us to see some great items. Perhaps a test compromise is that if people want to post a "Is this auto good" thread, they have a separate forum for those. Those post seem to create the most drama.
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:27 AM
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I really enjoyed the "Good news" autograph thread as I felt it progressed our hobby and allowed us to see some great items. Perhaps a test compromise is that if people want to post a "Is this auto good" thread, they have a separate forum for those. Those post seem to create the most drama.
Unfortunately there was behind the scenes drama in that thread...luckily it didn't spill onto the board.
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Great idea, and I'm all for splitting them into two groups. The autograph people have taken over the memorabilia side, and the same posters have the same fights almost every day. I know I don't have to read these threads but I still like the idea.
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To be honest, I only collect autographs and I've stopped posting as much because of the things you said Leon.
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To be honest, I only collect autographs and I've stopped posting as much because of the things you said Leon.
Well, maybe the nature of autograph collecting is that there are more squabbles? I don't collect autographs, though have a few through ordinary sports collecting, and only read some of what goes on, on this board. This comment above is a bit of a conundrum though. If someone only collects autographs and an autograph sub forum wouldn't help, then I am not sure there would be an answer for that.

btw, I am definitely leaning towards giving a separate forum a try...we have been over this before but have never tried one. We could revert back to what we have now, if it didn't work out. This thread is just to make as sure as possible there isn't some unforeseen issue (I can't think of)..
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Of the first twelve threads on the memorabilia board right now, nine of them are about autographs.

I would agree that memorabilia is being pushed aside and that many memorabilia collectors have given up both posting and trying to sort through all the at times inane autograph threads.

I'm all for a separate sub-forum -- I think you would then see a resurgence of memorabilia threads.

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I agree with the idea of splitting, FWIW.
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Well, maybe the nature of autograph collecting is that there are more squabbles? I don't collect autographs, though have a few through ordinary sports collecting, and only read some of what goes on, on this board. This comment above is a bit of a conundrum though. If someone only collects autographs and an autograph sub forum wouldn't help, then I am not sure there would be an answer for that.
It's not me, the autograph collector, you are trying to help though. You're trying to help the memorabilia people that are turned off by the autograph collectors that are pissing on their forum. I think it's a good idea to separate them, and needs to be done, imo. I also thought a third forum where you can ask "Is this good?" was a better idea because that is how the pissing matches start. I've seen people ask if cardboard signs or candy wrappers were good too, so you can combine it for all opinions. Just my .02

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If I recall we once discussed memorabilia and cards in the same forum, and when we split them up it worked perfectly. I can't imagine having a separate autograph section wouldn't work.
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Arnt autographs considered memorabilia?
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Well, maybe the nature of autograph collecting is that there are more squabbles? I don't collect autographs, though have a few through ordinary sports collecting, and only read some of what goes on, on this board. This comment above is a bit of a conundrum though. If someone only collects autographs and an autograph sub forum wouldn't help, then I am not sure there would be an answer for that.

btw, I am definitely leaning towards giving a separate forum a try...we have been over this before but have never tried one. We could revert back to what we have now, if it didn't work out. This thread is just to make as sure as possible there isn't some unforeseen issue (I can't think of)..


Autographs are much more contentious and prone to arguments because a lot of the time, (a majority of the time) the focus is on authenticity, which leads to arguments, which happens with memorabilia and cards a lot less.

I think if you split them or not, either way would work, it just means one more click, i don;t think people are having a hard time now figuring out if a thread is about an autograph or not, they can just skip it like i skip a t205 or hassan triple threads if i am a t206 collector exclusively.

i can't figure out how people know there are autograph arguments on these threads if they didnt read them? But either way if it is split or not I don't think it's a huge deal. If most people want it split, you should try it.
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Great idea, and I'm all for splitting them into two groups. The autograph people have taken over the memorabilia side, and the same posters have the same fights almost every day. I know I don't have to read these threads but I still like the idea.
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I'm all for splitting. I really enjoy some of the memorabilia that happen to be autographed, i.e. the 1931 baseball lighter I found a few months ago, but tire of the constant "Is this good" threads. I've often thought some of the very knowledgeable auto experts should be charging for their opinions, set them up a paypal account and charge for a quick opinion.

Just my uneducated opinion.

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I'm all for splitting. I really enjoy some of the memorabilia that happen to be autographed, i.e. the 1931 baseball lighter I found a few months ago, but tire of the constant "Is this good" threads. I've often thought some of the very knowledgeable auto experts should be charging for their opinions, set them up a paypal account and charge for a quick opinion.

Just my uneducated opinion.

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I've thought the same thing...and I wonder if one of our resident autograph experts stopped posting because of those types of threads popping up every day.
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I've been guilty of being a "Is it good" thread starter. TPA for stuff I will not sell anyway doesn't make sense for me. I would also have no problem with paying for an internet quickie opinion (Good idea). How many people should be giving those opinions is another question I cannot answer? This activity should be split into a new thread.

Memorabilia that has general interest and happens to be autographed as well is another issue and something we would all like to see. i would let this type of item stay in the Memorabilia section.

I suppose a "Rant and Bickering Forum" could be started for any thread anywhere that devolves into this activity. The Moderators could act like the panel on "The Gong Show" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xERBJPiYjjA), and bump these threads to a location where they can continue unabated.
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I am all for this Leon. I started collecting autographs in 2000 when coa's were given to any item. I value the opinions of others on whether items I bought in the past were real or fake as well as feelings on items I may currently want to buy.
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I've always been of the persuasion of just keep them (memorabilia and autographs) all in one forum, as to me, they are one and the same.

HOWEVER, if it makes the viewing and enjoyment experience better for a few people, then it won't take away from my enjoyment of the board by having two forums. As a matter of fact, it will probably add to my enjoyment of the forums, because I won't be compelled by human curiosity to read anymore of the "we need another forum for autographs" or "I can't simply skip over those threads to find ones I like", or variations thereof that crop up from time to time.

So please add me to the ledger as a plus vote for having two forums. One for autographs, and one for memorabilia sans autographs.

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Myself personally, im never in favor of splitting up the community into different sub-forums. Whenever possible, i like it best to keep things together. What happens is everyone has their "main" board on this forum that they go to the most and basically i think sub-forums just split the community and then what happens is each board will get less traffic and less new threads.

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What could be done, if it is possible, have a special icon like a "Pen" that the thread starter could post so you can see this thread is about autographs. So then if someone doesn't like autographs they will see the pen icon and then they don't have to read that particular thread. Can even Put say *AUTO* at the start of thread titles if the icon can not happen.

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Great idea, and I'm all for splitting them into two groups. The autograph people have taken over the memorabilia side, and the same posters have the same fights almost every day. I know I don't have to read these threads but I still like the idea.
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